Dear Martin, Thanks for your email.
While I understand your point of view, many are trying hard to change legislation and might see it as more than a marketing gimmick but rather a right to be able to drink without generating single-use waste. Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland and Italy are not obliged to serve tap water with a meal like in France where we live. We are not targeting free tap water for paying customers ... but I can see value in this for those that care. How about : 1) water_bottle_refill=non_paying and water_bottle_refill=customer or 2) water_access=non_paying and water_access=customer Best regards, Stuart . > > > On 13. Jan 2020, at 14:07, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > How about free_water_refill=yes free_water_table=yes ? > > > free_water_refill at a restaurant or cafe > to me sounds as if you must buy water and get refills for free > > Maybe we would want to distinguish getting water by yourself from an > accessible tap or bottle/carafe vs. getting it from the bar staff / waiters > after you asked for it? > > How would we tag a place with free drinks with your meal? I’m asking > because free water for customers sounds more like a marketing tale than > like something we’d tag in OpenStreetMap (it’s not “free”, it’s included). > > > > What is the character count permissible for tags ? > > > maybe it’s 255 ascii characters (technically), there is no agreed limit, > as short as you can while remaining easily distinguishable and no > abbreviations etc. > > > Cheers Martin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:57:00 +0100 (CET) > From: Mateusz Konieczny <matkoni...@tutanota.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Cc: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to > pedestrians? > Message-ID: <lyubq7m--...@tutanota.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > oneway:foot=-1 would still work > (Like oneway=-1 is very rarely needed > for traffic allowed only in direction > opposite to way direction) > 13 Jan 2020, 15:43 by kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com: > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:21 AM Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Not very intuitive but, perhaps in rare cases, necessary. What if the > road is > >> one-way to both vehicles and pedestrians but vehicles go from A to B > whilst > >> pedestrians go from B to A? > >> > > > > You beat me to it! > > > > I know I've seen a footway on the verge of the roadway signed, 'WALK > > ON LEFT, FACING TRAFFIC.' If the road was a dual-carriageway (it might > > have been, I don't recall now), then we'd have had exactly that > > situation. "Just reverse the way" isn't a solution when it's forward > > for one mode and backward for another. > > > > -- > > 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20200113/615ea5c3/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:00:18 +0100 > From: European Water Project <europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant > Message-ID: > <CAK=tSVf65TOe818pmAdjzcHxCtr5giw68= > my1htxmwawwss...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear Hauke, > > It goes without saying that we will develop best practice instructions on > wikimedia for how to tag cafes and bars which offer free water bottle > refill for non paying customers. We will not give instructions for the > other cases as that is not our target audience. > > The proposal below does not seem optimal, but if that is what is decided we > will write wiki instructions in this manner. > > I still prefer free_water_refill=yes/no free_water_table=yes/no > > Does anyone else prefer this nomenclature ? > > Best regards, > > Stuart > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:26:13 +0100 > > From: Hauke Stieler <m...@hauke-stieler.de> > > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, > > restaurant > > Message-ID: <75a599bd-f69a-b1f2-8cb6-ea0abed3a...@hauke-stieler.de> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi, > > > > > This model is used for many other tags in OSM. One of the most > > > fundamental tags, access=*, uses it to show "access only for customers" > > > for example. > > > See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dcustomers . > > > free_water=customers would not look out of place at all in that list. > > > > +1 > > I think the wiki/documentation of the European Water Project should then > > describe this in a way that newbies also understand the different values > > of the tag. > > > > > The other dimension that has been mentioned, is "bring your own > > > container" vs. "we supply the container". Something like > > > "container=customer", "container=supplier" or "container=both" perhaps? > > > > Because a "container" could be anything (at a supermarket or kiosk it > > could also be a container for food), I suggest something like > > "free_water:container=*" to make clear that the container "availability" > > refers to the refill service. > > > > Hauke > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: signature.asc > > Type: application/pgp-signature > > Size: 833 bytes > > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > > URL: < > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20200113/55b94bef/attachment-0001.sig > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 22:38:12 +0900 > > From: Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> > > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, > > restaurant > > Message-ID: > > <CAP_2vPjWT-eBOMQ6DGCEF+QNeRqkU5P_XHbv9n31N= > > 3_02l...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > > I suggest something like > > "free_water:container=*" to make clear that the container "availability" > > refers to the refill service. > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > - > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20200113/e4f8252c/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:05:08 +0100 (CET) > From: Mateusz Konieczny <matkoni...@tutanota.com> > To: Tagging <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: [Tagging] Special traffic signs - still > highway=traffic_signals? > Message-ID: <lyudhir--...@tutanota.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > There are some special traffic signals near me > > - usually flashing yellow, that has no meaning > - turning red in case of an incoming > special vehicle > > Special vehicle may be > > (1) emergency vehicle leaving fire department > in this case it gets activated probably once or > twice a day > > (2) tram on a level crossing > - in peak about over every four minutes, > during day about once 15 minutes > > How to tag this cases? > Like any other traffic light? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20200113/787b3222/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:05:51 +0100 (CET) > From: Mateusz Konieczny <matkoni...@tutanota.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Cc: Tagging <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, > restaurant > Message-ID: <lyudrpd--...@tutanota.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > 13 Jan 2020, 14:04 by europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com: > > > Hello, > > > BTW, thanks for consulting with > us how to tag this feature! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20200113/4a9d7026/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:06:29 +0100 > From: Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to > pedestrians? > Message-ID: > <CABPTjTA2VAXS+mVUJSoX++OWWr8=sJW0zFfBSapS7U_GNbmV= > g...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Am Mo., 13. Jan. 2020 um 13:21 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > > > That argument isn't convincing > > > > In Openstreetmap the keys are arbitrary strings; "oneway:foot" is no > > more relate to oneway than "not_oneway" or "phoneway". > > > > > Technically you are correct, but there are discussions about it. Some > people would want to have a more formal "grammar" so that combining several > tags (or "conditions") gets standardized. It makes the creation of new tags > easier and can imply clear rules for data consumers. The structure was > documented in the conditional tagging proposal: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions#Tagging > but it had already been around for some time then. > > Cheers > Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20200113/37be83c0/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tagging Digest, Vol 124, Issue 75 > **************************************** >
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