10 Nov 2019, 18:50 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 17:33, Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com > <mailto:matkoni...@tutanota.com>> > wrote: > > >> Are you claiming that there is some consistent difference between >> shop=ice_cream and amenity=ice_cream in real tagging by mappers? >> > > I would hesitate to claim that mappers tag anything consistently. > I am thinking about like amenity=restaurant vs amenity=fast_food Exact border differs and on edge there is no strict consistency but there is useful distinction between amenity=restaurant and amenity=fast_food >From what I know that there is no such useful difference between amenity=ice_cream and shop=ice_cream (or phone=* / contact:phone=* or some other pairs of tags) > What I am claiming > is that there are places where you go inside, sit down, and order an ice > cream to > eat whilst seated. I am claiming that there are other places which have no > facilities > for sitting, where you buy an ice cream that you take outside and consume > elsewhere. > These differences exist in reality. > I fully agree with this. > How they have been mapped, especially when the > wiki page is misleading, is another matter. > I am unaware about any tagging scheme used to distinguish between them, I am aware about claims that it was supposed to be covered by amenity=ice_cream and shop=ice_cream but for me it seems that in real use there is no difference between this two tags. >> Are you sure that mappers are consistently using this two tags in this ways? >> > > I am not sure about mappers doing anything consistently. > Well, places where you can buy ice cream are not tagged amenity=prison, there is some level where you can say "consensus among mappers is that". >> Because I am not noticing this effect at all, but maybe it is a local >> anomaly. >> > > Maybe it is mappers in countries which do not have both types of facility and > erroneously conclude the tags are synonyms, aided by misleading wiki pages. > In Poland we have both types of places. >> But given that shop=ice_cream and amenity=ice_cream do not have >> any clear difference based on tags I would be highly surprised that there >> is any real difference in meaning. >> > > I think it unlikely that anyone who has encountered both types of > establishment would > conclude that the same tag equally describes both. > See my reply to quotation above, as what you noticed below about Wikipedia. > I'll grant you that the Wikipedia > page for ice cream parlours includes establishments that are takeaway only, > but I'm > not sure if that truly reflects US usage. > > Here is an image search > > https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+cream+kiosk+seaside&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7qvnPmeDlAhUEQhUIHXcGAoEQsAR6BAgJEAE > > <https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+cream+kiosk+seaside&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7qvnPmeDlAhUEQhUIHXcGAoEQsAR6BAgJEAE> > which shows mosly ice cream kiosks which are takeaway only. I would not > refer to those > as ice cream parlours. > I agree here that there is difference between ice cream kiosk and ice cream parlour. I would not be claiming that shop=ice_cream_kiosk and amenity=ice_cream_parlour have no clear differences, but we have shop=ice_cream and amenity=ice_cream
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