8 Nov 2019, 09:47 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > > >> On 7. Nov 2019, at 18:54, Jmapb via Tagging <>> tagging@openstreetmap.org >> <mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>>> > wrote: >> >> >> Maybe I'm missing something here but I don't see any reason why data >> consumers, including the bicycle modes of routing engines, should ever >> interpret bicycle=no in a way that permits walking bicycles. >> >> > > the tag “bicycle” according to the access tag wiki page is about "cyclists": > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access>> and the context is that it > is about the vehicle (and not for example a professional cyclist walking or > driving in a car). Whether or not this includes people pushing a bike may > depend on the local legislation. It is not uncommon to see the mode of > transport as the mode of transport (i.e. if you are walking but carry a > bicycle, you will typically still be considered a pedestrian). In Italy and > Germany at least, but likely in many other places, bicycle=no means you may > not ride a bike there, but it also means you can push a bike or even > motorbike unless there are restrictions for pedestrians as well. > It is result of (at least in Poland) cyclist riding on vehicle being considered as a vehicle, but cyclist walking and pushing bike considered as a pedestrian and vehicle when not in use is AFAIK not considered as a vehicle, at least for traffic law purposes. >> >> This is exactly why we have a bicycle=dismount tag. >> >> > > > > > IMHO we have this tag because in some places there are signs that state: > "cyclists dismount". > > +1 >> >> Carrying a bicycle is an edge case that might deserve its own value -- >> bicycle=carried works for me. And if we need further refined values to >> explicitly permit a folding bike or bike-in-a-box, no problem: >> bicycle=folded, bicycle=boxed. >> >> > > > > > It is not a super rare edge case, people carrying folded bikes in a carrying > bag is common in some places, e.g. train stations or subways. I would see > this as a different kind of restriction if you are not allowed to bring > certain things with you even as a pedestrian (e.g. no food, no beverages, no > bicycles, no firearms, no fireworks, no animals, no camera equipped > cellphones, no umbrellas, no google glass, no hats, ...), hence would not > reuse the "bicycle" key for stating this. > > +1 >> >> (Special permission for extreme weather should be encoded with some >> variation of the conditional access tag scheme.) >> >> > > +1 > > In Poland it is countrywide law applying for all sidewalks, not signed anywhere. I think that utility of tagging it explicitly is low, just do not add bicycle=no to sidewalks where not signed as "no cycling".
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