On Sat, 25 May 2019 at 19:59, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoni...@tutanota.com> wrote:
I thought about cases like > > (1) > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/169286212 > that are used solely for climbing not done as competitions > You're counting that as sport usage and I'm not disputing that. But climbing can also be competitive. So saying that you're not restricting sport=* to competitive sports so as not to exclude climbing, which can also be competitive, is not a great example. Yes, some people may only know of non-competitive climbing and think your example is fine. But some will know of competitive climbing and wonder why you chose that example. That said, I'm not sure that there is any sport (as you have currently defined it) which is never performed competitively. Anything where there is a performance metric of some sort can be competitive: longer, harder, faster, more stylishly, whatever. To bring it back to the original question, competitive juggling exists. Even if competitions are rare, they may happen. Or if competitions have never happened in a particular sporting activity, they could happen in the future. Even if a sport is never performed competitively in one location, if it is performed competitively at some other location then it's still a sport even by the latest definition (I'm not complaining about that logical conclusion). I'm leaning towards the conclusion that it is better to just say that an activity doesn't have to be performed competitively to be considered a sport, but that's probably going to open things up too much. It's a sport if it COULD be performed competitively? Not much better. I'm not sure we can lock this one down well enough to satisfy everyone. It's an "I know it when I see it" thing, which goes against the principle of verifiability. Maybe we just go with a sport being whatever one or more people says is a sport, but we only map it if there's a designated place to perform it. Which brings back the cycleway problem. -- Paul
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