On 22/04/19 09:49, marc marc wrote:
Le 22.04.19 à 00:39, Paul Allen a écrit :
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 22:56, marc marc wrote:
however I wonder if it's useful to promote changing_table:height
is there really any use for this tag ?
A parent in a wheelchair might find that useful information,
if the goal is to talk about accessibility, then use the wheelchair tag.
but if by measuring the height of the table, you think you have done
what it's need to inform accessibility, you are wrong, this detail is
almost anecdotal in accessibility. the entrance of the poi must be
accessible, at least one path need to be accessible from the entrance to
the changing table (including door and corridor).
Think the door has to be some 900mm wide and so on.
and if the height of
the table then fits, a lot of tilting changing table are inaccessible
because the lock is often too high even if the table height is very low.
that's why I think promoting changing_table:height is a bad idea,
the contributor thinks he has entered useful information but it's not.
let's keep it simple, if one day someone see an accessible changing
table, add the tag wheelchair=yes
for all the others, no need to have a meter in your pocket,
it's wheelchair=no, no need to fill heigh=1 or 1.05 or .95 except for 3D
Not just the height of the table, but also to be able to push the wheelchair at
least partially under the table reduces arm strain a lot.
And wheelchair users probably want the table at a lower height than 1.1 metres.
same thing for the description key, I can't imagine when it's useful to
describe the table with words so I find it not very useful to promote it
Description is a standard tag applicable
I know the tag description, thanks :)
the question is "can we expect to have changing tables on a regular
basis that are different from what we can expect with other tags,
which would justify encouraging people to put a description ?
because if it is to inform the existence of a tag, we can edit
the whole wiki to say that the description tag exists,
which would increase the background noise without any added value.
I also ask where a changing_table:access=private or =no may be usefull
I think the reasoning used for toilets should also apply to equipment
such as a changing_table: if it is totally private, such as the
changing
table in your home bathroom, it is not necessary to add in osm.
Some people may feel uncomfortable changing their baby in public view.
access=* don't said anything about public view.
changing tables in a private area does not mean that your child
is protected from a public view (I know a changing table in
the private part of the maternity just in front of a windows
with a public corridor)
a changing table in a public toilet can be in a room that
is respectful of privacy.
if you want to inform this kind of info, it's probably better
to make another proposal for another key in stead of promoting
to hijack the access key to talk about public view when using
the feature.
There are a few toilets with very nice views...
changing_table:location=dedicated_room
if the purpose is to change the key diaper=room to diaper=yes +
location=dedicated_room I think this value is an too precise
assumption
If you never encountered a changing table in a dedicated room
then don't map it as such.
that's not what I said.
what I'm saying is : diaper=room doesn't have the same meaning
as changing_table:location=dedicated_room
if the proposal wants to change one by the other, that's not true.
so at least changing_table:location=room is needed to be able to
convert existing information without making any erroneous assumption.
Of course, i didn't disagree to use dedicated_room when it's
a dedicated_room :)
Regards,
Marc
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