Am Do., 28. Feb. 2019 um 07:39 Uhr schrieb Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org >:
> Hi all, > > Is there a good way to tag "hostile architecture"? To take a common > example: How should one map a bench that one cannot physically lie down on? > > * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_architecture > * https://hostiledesign.org/ > * an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden_bench > > I'd define this type of bench as: "The bench is about as long as an > average person's height, but is physically designed in a way that makes > it impossible, or very hard, for someone to lie down on it" > > Suggestions? `sleepable=yes/no` (my current favourite) `can_lie=yes/no`? > `lie=yes/no`? ? `lieable=yes/no` `lyable=yes/no`? Or > `bench:architecture=hostile`? Interesting topic. It may very often be difficult to make a clear assesment though, especially if the tag is "hostile", because, like Warin pointed out, what is hostile to one person may be desirable for another. One might critize the unsuitability of a bench to sleep on, but on the other hand, there may be better solutions with regard to people who have no place to sleep, than benches. Generally, benches are made to sit on, so truly and unquestionably hostile would be benches where you cannot sit on. Or what about benches that are so short you cannot sleep on? These may be designed purposefully against people sleeping on them, but is being "long enough to sleep" a general requirement for benches? They may also be designed short for different reasons. Or places where only chairs have been put, is this hostile because it could have been benches? Truly hostile are also environments with no place to sit on :) When these features call the attention, it is often because of change. Something that was in a certain way, is purposefully changed in order to stear behaviour (like those benches you posted, that now have a separating barrier in the middle). Other "features" that come to mind are safety features to prevent undesirable behaviour, e.g. staircase handrails designed against sliding http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4hvm7E4oTYo/maxresdefault.jpg It clearly is hostile to the fun of sliding down a handrail, but it may be a lifesaver ;-) What about spikes and glass pieces (or barbed wire) on top of walls? To me, these always look very hostile, although I am never climbing over perimeter walls, and would not expect anyone but burglars to do so, i.e. it may be legitimate to protect your property like this, but it sends a hostile message to the world. One of the links you posted refered to pictures of surveillance cams. There is no clear opinion on these in society, some consider them hostile, others call for them. To sum it up, I would tend to prefer "objective" criteria (can lie on the bench or not, broken glass on top of the wall, surveillance cam present, bumps on handrails) over judgmental tagging like "hostile archicture". This doesn't exclude to set up a wikipage where we collect examples of things that may be perceived as hostile (and call it like this), with suggested tagging. Cheers, Martin
_______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
