Thanks for clarifying Jo - I think this is all ok as long as we give users the option to say whether they think their `amenity=shelter` is a building or not. For the bus shelters I could see it as either way but would not override a local mapper’s choice.
Maybe we should start a separate thread for “what is a `building=*` really” because this is something I see frequent confusion over. Thanks, Bryan > On Jun 18, 2018, at 10:29 AM, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > shelter=yes on a highway=bus_stop NODE indicates there is a shelter nearby, > but says nothing about where it is exactly nor its size. > > amenity=shelter > shelter_type=public_transport > > on a CLOSEDWAY > > indicates where the shelter is. height is not super important. I guess most > are about 2.3m high. If it is considered important I'll go out and measure > one and start tagging that on them. But that still doesn't make them > buildings. They are more like containers with glass wall panels and a metal > roof on a slab of concrete. Relatively easy to move and relatively small in > size. > > Polyglot > > Op ma 18 jun. 2018 om 15:28 schreef Bryan Housel <bhou...@gmail.com > <mailto:bhou...@gmail.com>>: >> There are also picnic shelters .. here they can have no walls just a roof to >> shelter from the heat of the sun or the occasional bit of rain. >> e.g. >> https://www.riversideca.gov/park_rec/sites/riversideca.gov.park_rec/files/pictures/Picnic%20Shelter%20Hunter%20hobby.JPG >> >> <https://www.riversideca.gov/park_rec/sites/riversideca.gov.park_rec/files/pictures/Picnic%20Shelter%20Hunter%20hobby.JPG> >> > > I would tag that as: > > amenity=shelter > building=roof ( <— this tag is really the point of the thread) > > >>> The following three are no buildings from my point of view because they >>> have one wall only. Either the two other walls do not fully stretch from >>> the ground to the roof or the shelter itself can be removed easily. >>> >>> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=49.08680549357706&lng=9.078079866007897&z=17&pKey=90pd5WuYg8zOk_L8dxLFFQ&focus=photo >>> >>> <https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=49.08680549357706&lng=9.078079866007897&z=17&pKey=90pd5WuYg8zOk_L8dxLFFQ&focus=photo> >>> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=49.08985722389377&lng=9.07931005221235&z=17&pKey=oXQHKqb3Lc3Ae9IXj-5PHw&focus=photo >>> >>> <https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=49.08985722389377&lng=9.07931005221235&z=17&pKey=oXQHKqb3Lc3Ae9IXj-5PHw&focus=photo> >>> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=49.10616167487336&lng=9.121348618135698&z=17&pKey=8xUGL_VKp45sOfd9VW7dUw&focus=photo >>> >>> <https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=49.10616167487336&lng=9.121348618135698&z=17&pKey=8xUGL_VKp45sOfd9VW7dUw&focus=photo> > I would not use `amenity=shelter` at all and instead tag those as > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=bus_stop > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=bus_stop> > > highway=bus_stop > public_transport=platform > bus=yes > shelter=yes > bench=yes > > >>> There is building=roof but I would not use it for such shelters. They >>> are not treated as buildings by the cadastre, why should I do? (If they >>> are larger and have no walls, they > Anything that should show up on a 3D map needs a `building` tag and maybe a > `height`. > >>> I think that nobody of us knows the whole world and that's why I ask you >>> not to decide on the default values of the whole world. If local mappers >>> think that a shelter is a building, they will tag it as such. If they >>> think that it does not qualify to be a building, they will not add the tag. > In iD, the things we provide as presets, and how we render those things on > the screen influence how people map. > > It sounds like from the discussion that we should not assume that shelters > are buildings, and instead provide a field so that mappers can decide. Once > we provide this field, we can expect a lot of people to use it. (I’m trying > to engage the tagging list a lot more so that people feel consulted when I > change things in iD.) > > Thanks, Bryan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging> > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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