I'll agree with all your tags, as ":lanes" is for all lanes, including cycle lanes. It's just historically that "lanes" (the tag alone) is only for motorised traffic.
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 6:55 AM, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: > I strongly dispute the suggestion in the wiki in regards to lane tagging > as this greatly reduces accuracy for complex lane situations and are NOT > analogous to the other excluded situations. The wiki is wrong. > > On Wed, May 9, 2018, 23:46 <osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au> wrote: > >> If I may correct your suggestion, that’s not quite right. >> >> >> >> To quote the wiki for lanes: >> >> >> >> The lanes=* key should be used to specify the total number of *marked* >> [image: >> Wikipedia-16px.png] lanes <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:lanes>of a >> road. >> >> The following lanes should be *included*: >> >> · General purpose [image: [W]] traffic lanes >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane> suitable for vehicles wider than a >> motorbike. >> >> · [image: [W]] Bus lanes <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_lane>, >> that are reserved for public service vehicles (PSV), for example buses and >> taxis. Additionally to the total number of lanes, consider to tag the >> number of lanes for PSV with lanes:psv=*, lanes:bus=* and lanes:taxi=*. >> >> · [image: [W]] High-occupancy vehicle lanes >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-occupancy_vehicle_lane> (sometimes >> also called carpool lanes, commuter lanes, express lanes, transit lanes). >> The number of such lanes could be tagged using lanes:hov=*. >> >> · Other lanes such as [image: Wikipedia-16px.png] spitsstroken >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nl:Spitsstrook>(nl) in the Netherlands or >> [image: >> Wikipedia-16px.png] temporäre Standstreifen >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Stra%C3%9Fenquerschnitt#Seitenstreifen>(de) >> in >> Austria, Germany and Switzerland which are available to traffic at certain >> restricted times, for example during the rush hour. >> >> · Longer slip-roads, for example on motorways and other fast >> major roads. Turning lanes for minor roads are not normally included. See >> turn <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn>=* for further >> details about tagging turning lanes. >> >> And the following lanes should be *excluded*: >> >> · Minor slip roads without a deceleration/acceleration lane, >> i.e. the main road is wider only because of the intersecting road. >> >> · Parking lanes. Consider using parking:lane >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane>=* to provide >> further information. >> >> · Bicycle lanes. Use the tag cycleway >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway>=lane >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cycleway%3Dlane> for those. >> >> · Emergency [image: [W]] shoulder lanes >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder_(road)>. See shoulder >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shoulder>=* for further details. >> >> >> >> So a “normal” two way road with cycleways (in Australia, with left hand >> traffic) would be tagged as: >> >> >> >> cycleway=lane >> >> lanes=2 >> >> vehicles:lanes:forward=no|yes >> >> vehicles:lanes:backward=no|yes >> >> bicycle:lanes:forward=designated|yes >> >> bicycle:lanes:backward=designated|yes >> >> >> >> When tagging to this level, I generally try to also add the width: >> >> >> >> width:lanes:forward=1|3 >> >> width:lanes:backward=1|3 >> >> >> >> in JOSM the “lane and road attributes” mapstyle will help visualizing >> these tagged lanes. >> >> >> >> Use vehicle instead of motor_vehicle (to keep carriages out of your cycle >> lanes…). >> >> >> >> Important: Do NOT include the cycleway lanes in the lanes=x count! The >> lanes count (which only counts marked lanes for motorized traffic) and the >> number of entries in the :lanes prefix keys can and will be different! >> (Which is maybe somewhat unfortunate, but the lanes=count tag predates the >> :lanes prefix tags by many years, and has been used that way all over the >> place. Mixing different definitions of the lanes key in different places, >> or even just different segments of the same road, is going to result in >> useless, unreliable data as a data consumer will have no way to >> differentiate what definition of lanes=count would apply.) >> >> >> >> See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes#Crossing_with_ >> a_designated_lane_for_bicycles for an example of that. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 10 May 2018 11:30 >> *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools < >> tagging@openstreetmap.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes >> >> >> >> My suggestion: >> >> >> >> cycleway=lane >> >> lanes=4 >> >> lanes:forward=2 >> >> lanes:backward=2 >> >> motor_vehicle:lanes:forward=yes|no >> >> motor_vehicle:lanes:backward=yes|no >> >> bicycle:lanes:forward=yes|designated (maybe no|designated if you're not >> allowed out of the bike lane on a bike) >> >> bicycle:lanes:backward=yes|designated >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Rationale for this: Sometimes things get complicated. For example, how >> would you smash the following tag scenario into "don't include bike lanes >> in the lane count" schemes? >> >> >> >> cycleway=lane >> >> oneway=yes >> >> lanes=5 >> >> turn:lanes=left;through|left;through|through|through|right >> >> bicycle:lanes=designated|yes|yes|designated|yes >> >> motor_vehicle:lanes=no|yes|yes|no|yes >> >> >> >> And sometimes the cycleway=* tag just can't deal with the situation at >> all, like when you have curbside bike lanes and the rest of the lanes are >> shared. >> >> >> >> access:lanes:backward=yes|yes|no >> >> access:lanes:forward=yes|yes|no >> >> bicycle:lanes:backward=designated|designated|designated >> >> bicycle:lanes:forward=designated|designated|designated >> >> cycleway=lane >> >> highway=tertiary >> >> lanes:backward=3 >> >> lanes:forward=3 >> >> lanes=6 >> >> name=South Greenwood Avenue >> >> turn:lanes:backward=left;through|through|through >> >> turn:lanes:forward=left;through|through|through >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Volker Schmidt <vosc...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I want to tag a road (one of thousands in this country) that has two >> lanes for cars (one in each direction) and two cycle lanes, one on each >> side. Thes cycle lanes are by law one-way in the same direction of the >> motorized traffic in the neighbouring road lane. >> >> My (basic) tagging would be: >> >> highway=unclassified (or whatever) >> >> cycleway:right=lane >> >> cycleway:right:oneway=yes >> >> cycleway:left=lane >> >> cycleway:left:oneway=-1 >> >> the value "-1" is discouraged for the "oneway" key, but in this case I >> see no alternative >> "cycleway:left:oneway=-1" has some 800 uses in taginfo, >> "cycleway:right:oneway=yes" has some 2800 uses in taginfo. >> >> Should I go ahead with my tagging? 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