On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:25:16 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2017-09-21 11:05 GMT+02:00 Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com>: > > > >it depends what "permit" actually means: > > > > I don't see that as having any bearing on the present proposal. The > > tag means only that a permit is required to access the object. > > > > Whether such an instrument is difficult to get, must be paid for, > > must be adjudicated before some governing body, or whether one has > > to jump up and down 3 times, is IMHO irrelevant. Moreover, whether > > such a permit takes the physical form of a document, a sticker, or > > a plastic embossed card, is also irrelevant. > > > > It merely means something special must be done before access is > > granted. Subsidiary tags can flesh out the details of how it is > > obtained, whether there's a fee involved, etc. > > > > > > Maybe defining better at which cases you are aiming, could raise > support for the permit tag. I agree that some cases of "permits" are > better tagged as "private" because it is essentially the same > situation, while others are not well described with "private", > because you can easily get a permit and use the way as if it hadn't a > restriction. Is "do something special" involving a lot of time and or > money to obtain, or can only some people with special requisites > apply (e.g. tribal, religious or professional exceptions)? It might > all be called "permit", but the effective situation is very different. The way I see the distinction: * access=yes: there is a statutory right or similar guarantee of access * access=permissive: blanket permission to access has been granted in advance, but it can be revoked at the whim of the owner/operator * access=permit: permission must be asked for in advance, but it is routinely granted provided that the asker meets any relevant criteria. The owner/operator generally has little or no discretion in deciding to grant or refuse permission. * access=private: permission must be asked for in advance, and the owner/operator can grant or refuse for any reason * access=no: don't bother asking, permission will not be granted. Local examples of the above: * access=yes: Interstate 90 (statutory right); the easement providing access to Mica Peak Conservation Area across private property (contractual right). * access=permissive: the geocache on the Dodd House property. * access=permit: the Inland Empire Paper Company forests surrounding Mount Spokane (in the summer, anyone who's purchased an IEP access permit; in the winter, anyone with a Mount Spokane ski pass). * access=private: East Rockford Lane (a gated road in a private residential area) * access=no: Fairchild Air Force Base's pumping station on the Spokane River. -- Mark _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
