Hi André,

according to this documentation,
the tagging mailing list is the wrong platform to address this  :
"*If you have ideas for the wiki, you can generally just do them, by
editing the wiki! *
If you need any assistance the *wikiteam* are here to help."
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki#Wikiteam

Unless some always ask for a proposal to edit /amend anything in the wiki.
IMHO this leads to the result you mentioned :
"Unfortunately, I'm very sorry to say, OSM is often much of a chaos."
There seem to be very few people which first like to request a request form
to be able to help the community to improve *.

A "code of conduct"** would be helpful in which cases
you may just add a minor specification, unfortunately I couldn't find
such up to now.

Cheers,
Thilo

* For those who don't know the concept of sarcasm :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

** Certainly this will also leave some (border) cases which are disputable,
but at least there would be SOME agreed guideline.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct

Am 10.05.2017 um 15:10 schrieb André Pirard:
> Hi,
>
> In this thread, I said, in agreement with others,
> that oneway:bicycle
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway:bicycle>=no (click to
> open that page) is the tag to be used *to tell routing
> software**(GPS)* that *oneway*=yes
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway>does not apply to bicycles
> that cycleway
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway>=opposite* has
> noting to do with routing and contraflow but indicates that *there is
> a cycleway* that *happens* to be "opposite".
>
> Could you please make the wiki documentation more clear about that?
> Because mappers often believe that cycleway=opposite means to indicate
> bicycle contraflow oneway:bicycle=no.
> Unfortunately, sometimes contradictory sentences about the same
> concept are often spread all over the wiki.
> Find them all!
>
> I have written this script
> <http://overpass-turbo.eu/?Q=%0A%5Bout%3Ajson%5D%5Btimeout%3A60%5D%3B%0A%2F%2F%20gather%20results%0A%28%0A%20%20%2F%2F%20query%20%0A%20way%5B%21%22oneway%3Abicycle%22%5D%5Bcycleway%7E%22opposite%22%5D%28%7B%7Bbbox%7D%7D%29%3B%0A%20%20%0A%29%3B%0A%2F%2F%20print%20results%0Aout%20body%3B%0A%3E%3B%0Aout%20skel%20qt%3B%0A%0A>
> to find where many cycleway=opposite* exist without oneway:bicycle=no
> and even without oneway=yes.
>
> Look at this street <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/55150670> to
> which GRi added cycleway=opposite without oneway:bicycle=no, to which
> JanFi added oneway:bicycle=no  probably after reading this thread
> (thank you!) and from which I removed cycleway=opposite because there
> is no cycleway at all.
>
> The worst of all is that the map
> http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/%7Eligfietser/fiets/ shows
> "cycleway=opposite or oneway:bicycle=no" ways, hence neither
> identifying the cycleways  nor the contraflow correctly and not
> testing in its bugs tag that cycleway=opposite must contain
> oneway:bicycle=no.
> That is pitiful complete misinformation and the author did not even
> reply to my message.
>
> Unfortunately, I'm very sorry to say, OSM is often much of a chaos.
>
> Hoping this will help,
> Cheers
>
> André.
>
>
>
>
>
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