On 28-Apr-17 09:46 AM, Warin wrote:
On 27-Apr-17 01:43 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:
do we need the same tags for motorhomes ?
Off topic. They get a mention on the caravan_site wiki page. I think
they are represented by caravan at this time.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site
I recently start seeing rest areas where you have to pay to stay
overnight, so should we add "fee" to your yes/no choices ?
Off topic. Something like fee:conditional=yes @(sunset-sunrise); no
@(sunrise-sunset) ?
m.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 12:48 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I have come up with some detail tagging for rest areas but want to
get some
oversight on it and help with one aspect.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area
Easy(?) Details
Some of these have time limits - easy enough to use a conditional
max stay
tag
rest_area:condition:maxstay=20
Stops people 'camping' over a long period.
Restricted to HGV use only, use access tags
access=no with hgv=yes
More difficult detail
One I am having problems with, where they can be used for 'camping'
with a
caravan/camper-van (but probably not a tent).
rest_area:camping=caravan
or
rest_area:camping:caravan=yes
would convey the meaning .. but is it a 'good' tag that would allow for
other things and follow other tagging methods?
caravan=yes could simply mean access and not convey the camping
aspect? Note
the max stay would still apply (if there).
Any thoughts on tagging these features for rest areas?
On 27-Apr-17 11:18 AM, André Pirard wrote:
Hi,
Your questions show that there is no OSM formal definition of the
usage of name space.
I once sketched one, a key of which is rules to make a canonical
representation of the tags.
It says that for the main tag (the one representing the object (vs
attributes))
highway=rest_area canonically means highway:rest_area=yes
and that attribute tags append to that.
So, your examples become
highway:rest_area:rest_area:camping=caravan
which in its canonical form is
highway:rest_area:rest_area:camping:caravan=yes
obviously, one rest_area is too much and it must be:
camping=caravan ==> highway:rest_area:camping:caravan=yes
camping:caravan=yes ==> highway:rest_area:camping:caravan=yes
same canonical representation but allowing other attributes of
camping than caravan.
camping=yes (attribute of rest_area) would mean that camping is
allowed
caravan=yes (attribute of rest_area) would mean that the area
can be
used by caravans
(but an access=* would be the normal way to do it)
camping=caravan=yes would mean that the caravans can be used for
camping
I hope I made no mistake.
Ok .. so
camping:caravan=yes would be ok.
A wrinkle is the caravan_site key/value
I think this could be used in place of the camping:caravan=yes
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site
However it is a key/value itself and that could confuse renders as to
what is the primary key/value.
so
highway=rest_area
caravan_site=yes
could be a better way to go?
Some American stores allow camping in their parking areas ... how is
that tagged?
Well, it's risky writing this.
Someone may come down on me again to scold me and say : "we" do not
do that.
Very logically not saying who is "we".
That's apparently not you.
I try to say things about things rather than people. People have all
sorts of ideas .. which is what I'm after.
But if 'we' start talking about people they can get upset with 'us' ..
and that is not what anyone is after here.
BTW, a rest_area can be just some space beside a road.
It is not a parking but it can be used to momentarily stop out of
the traffic.
Right?
Correct .. but I would put it this way, in a very simplistic way;
Parking is when you stop (park) to leave your vehicle and do something
else - shopping, work, play.
A 'rest area' is where you stop (park) to do nothing (rest).
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