Sorry .. reread your words..
While the 'monument' is alleged to have the remains under them .. then
the monument is sited on an (alleged) 'tomb'. As such the monument is
part of the 'tomb'.
Even the title of the photo says 'tomb'.
I would not take it as a good example of a 'cenotaph'.
Possibly
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/AlamoMemorial-0727.jpg/400px-AlamoMemorial-0727.jpg
would be better?
Note that is not a tomb.
On 20-Sep-16 03:43 PM, Warin wrote:
Read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steuben_Memorial_State_Historic_Site
That says his remains are in said tomb... as shown in your linked photo.
The only reference I can see to a 'cenotaph' are your words ... where
do you get it from?
On 20-Sep-16 08:36 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote:
In what way is it not a cenotaph? It is clearly a structural
monument. It is in memory of a deceased person. Said deceased person
is not entombed there, although his remains are thought to be in an
unmarked grave somewhere nearby. It looks like a tomb, but nobody is
entombed in it.
On Sep 19, 2016 6:31 PM, "Warin" <61sundow...@gmail.com
<mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 20-Sep-16 12:51 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote:
tomb=cenotaph sounds perfect, if unusual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steuben_Memorial_State_Historic_Site#/media/File:Baron_von_Steuben_Monumental_Tomb_Jul_10.jpg
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steuben_Memorial_State_Historic_Site#/media/File:Baron_von_Steuben_Monumental_Tomb_Jul_10.jpg>
is the cenotaph that I was mapping when the question arose.
Baron von Steuben's remains are in an unmarked grave somewhere
nearby. The 'memorial tomb' was erected, contrary to his express
wish to be buried in an unmarked grave, decades after his death.
It is claimed, but by no means certain, that the memorial covers
his remains. He is most certainly not entombed within it.
Not a 'cenotaph'. _Cenotaphs are not tombs_!
A definition of cenotaph is;
a) a structural monument in memory to a deceased person whose
body is elsewhere (so not a tomb)
b) a municipal, civic, or national memorial to those killed in war.
On the LPI data base (for Australia, New South Wales) there are
13 listed 'cenotaphs'.
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
<dieterdre...@gmail.com <mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote:
2016-09-19 13:17 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer
<dieterdre...@gmail.com <mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>>:
there's only one memorial:type=cenotaph
btw., those cenotaphs wikipedia has as examples in osm would
rather be historic=monument than memorial I think:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenotaph
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenotaph>
Cheers,
Martin
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