On 2015-09-26 22:43, moltonel wrote :
>
> On 26 September 2015 19:05:09 GMT+01:00, "André Pirard" 
> <a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is
>> <keyname>:warning=<text>
>> which acts only when that key is changed.
>> geometry:warning=<text>  to protect the coordinates of the element
>> name:warning=<text>  to protect its name.
>> Those tags do not warn against changing other tags.
> May I suggest 'edit_warning', or something else that explicit (because a 
> 'warning' key could be used for so many purposes) ? And use proper namespace 
> ordering, ie edit_warning:name=blah rather than name:edit_warning=blah 
> (because many keys, like name or phone, are also namespaces that can be 
> followed by arbitrary sufixes).
OK with me for a more explicit term as long as it is not too long.  The
best inventor will win.
But I'm afraid that the correct namespace order is name:edit_warning=*.
edit_warning is a qualifier of name and not the opposite.
It is the edit warning of (for) name and not the name of the edit warning.
It's just like the order of the words in an English phrase.
Adding a qualifier makes the word more specific, "with warning" rather
than plain.
If you speak of the building antenna type, it's building:antenna:4G=yes
The left side of the road is road:left and not left:road.
And BTW, source:maxspeed is a mistake, there is no such thing as the
speed of a source
The source of the maxspeed should be maxspeed:source.
And its date should be maxspeed:source:date and not
source:date:maxspeed or source:maxspeed:date or date:maxspeed:source..
But it's typical of an OSM article about namespaces not to speak of the
order.
Let us stop making more mistake.
> That said, you should open bugs on the various editors as soon as possible to 
> discuss with them what they think of such a feature. Unless this tag gets 
> editor support, it doesn't bring anything that the already popular 'note' tag 
> doesn't give. Sadly, inexperienced mapers are the ones most likely to miss a 
> plain 'note' tag, but they are also most likely using iD, whose developers 
> are pretty warning-averse...
Don't speak like that of mappers and developers ;-)  You're going to get
in trouble with Julien Fastré who will say that you're trying to
convince us, and yourself, that "they are doing bad job" and that you
will frighten newcomers (sic) ;-)
This said, seriously and frankly, I have a serious dilemma when I'm
hippy hopping the JOSM Area Selection Plugin along the way and I meet
polygons completely askew and 4-5 m or more away from their place with
just "building=yes" and that in one single click I can draw the house
with a 20 cm precision and complete tags, the house number being
incremented for the next house !  I feel like a 5 years' work has to be
restarted afresh.  Fortunately, not afresh for fixing road geometry in
Improve Way Accuracy mode of that JOSM again.
Isn't there a convincing tutorial to compare methods and show that (fixing)?
I know two friends who are ¾ convinced but who can't get rid of their
habits and make the first step.
I myself know too little of the other products to be a good comparator
and convincing advisor.
All that I can say is that a good migration method is to use the old and
the new programs simultaneously, more and more of the new one.  It's
what I did when simulating a shift from JOSM to Merkaartor, but it
turned out that there were too many things that Merkaartor couldn't do.

Cheers

André.



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