On 16/05/2015 10:39 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote:
Regardless of people's views on this, the reality is that one of the main reasons people get involved with OSM is because they want to see the things they tag show up on a map somewhere at some time.

Tagging for the renderer isn't going to go away anytime soon because IMO almost everyone wants to see "their stuff" on a map.

Absolutely.



On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 4:58 PM, pmailkeey . <pmailk...@googlemail.com <mailto:pmailk...@googlemail.com>> wrote:



    On 16 May 2015 at 00:40, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org
    <mailto:frede...@remote.org>> wrote:

        Hi,

        On 05/16/2015 12:03 AM, pmailkeey . wrote:


        > Tagging for the renderer is natural. Mappers, especially
        newbies will be
        > disappointed their pet new feature they've just added to the
        db does not
        > appear on the map.


    Not at all. I'm suggesting additional tags for basic graphic
    properties - and for http://www.openstreetmap.org to make use of
    these ADDITIONAL basic tags. All other maps and rendering would be
    totally unaffected.


        What you are talking about is essentially "MS Paint with
        multi-user
        capability". That's certainly an interesting project in itself
        but not
        something that we should remotely consider in OSM.


    Why shouldn't a user who adds a new feature to the db be allowed
    to 'suggest' how it appears on 'THE' map ? Once the feature is
    designed to be 'properly' rendered, the basic graphic tags can be
    removed.
    I'm suggesting that these additional basic tags are used on a
    temporary basis but would not oppose their permanent use if others
    agreed.



If you 'add a new feature to the db' then you should describe it on a wiki page .. on that page you can suggest the rendering .. some of the wiki pages have it ...

e.g. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Rendering

This does not mean it will be rendered. Nor does it mean it will be rendered in the way suggested. In fact many people using the tag man_made=water_tap use the additional key amenity=drinking_water ... and it is the drinking_water that gets rendered.

So if you want something rendered straight away .. pick an existing tag that is already rendered. If you want to add a new tag .. then do so, document it on the wiki ... and hope that lots of people use it and lots of them get onto the db .. then finally the renders might recognise it and it appears on the map. That is the way it works now .. unless you start rendering your own maps.

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