Thanks Dave and Dave,
I have changed the designated campground as proposed and made
RV/Motorhome/Caravan more explicit. For consistency rendering is now using
the same (tent) symbol for all categories, but in different colours.
I did leave in the 6th category. It will always be an area. It follows up
on the discussion that camping in a large area in a park may be allowed
(category 6), but that within that large area some popular spots exist
(category 3).
Regards,
Jan
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:30 AM David Bannon <dban...@internode.on.net>
wrote:
> Dave, to clarify. You use the term 'RV' as meaning a MotorHome,
> accommodation built on a truck chassis, and excluding things towed
> behind a car, SUV or 4x4 ?
>
> Here, we use RV to mean Motorhome, caravan, camper. Sometimes even
> broader.
>
> David
>
> On Sat, 2015-03-21 at 06:34 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote:
> >
> >
> > I like the idea behind this proposal overall but feel some
> > clarifications are needed. In the first section: Designated means set
> > aside for the purpose of camping, so that part is fine. But then you
> > say:
> > 2. Designated campground (camp_site=designated) - areas that
> > are made available for camping on a non-commercial basis,
> > usually for an overnight RV or caravan stay, but that are
> > equipped with no or few facilities and charge no or a nominal
> > fee;
> >
> >
> > if you reword it to say:
> > "areas that are available for camping on a non-commercial basis,
> > often for RV or caravan use, and that have at a minimum facilities
> > like toilets, trash disposal and drinking water. Such sites may be
> > free or charge a fee and may be located inside a public park or other
> > recreation area. If the site is only for tents or only for RVs, add
> > caravan=no or tents=no, etc. "
> >
> >
> > you will remove the bias toward RVs your version has and expand the
> > definition to include more campgrounds. This sort of campground, along
> > with the commercial types, is probably the most common type in the
> > U.S. If you leave it as is, the bulk of the camping facilities in the
> > U.S. and Alaska will not have a strong match to any of your
> > categories. With this definition there, you can discard the 6th
> > category entirely. I would venture to say 99% of campgrounds inside of
> > National and State Parks and National Recreation areas are
> > "designated", you cannot just camp anywhere.
> >
> >
> > Under Rendering:
> > Your choice of an RV icon for designated sites is not good because it
> > implies RV usage is the major type of camping at this place.
> >
> >
> > Also, you say
> > Commercial and undefined campgrounds: Blue tent
> > symbol Camping.n.16.png as currently in place
> >
> > Why do you use the word undefined. It's the first time that word
> > appears in the proposal and has no . I think you should say,
> > commercial sites or sites that are tagged tourism=camp_site but have
> > no other clarifying tags, should get the blue tent symbol.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:59 AM, Jan van Bekkum
> > <jan.vanbek...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have updated the proposal with the feedback as much as
> > possible.
> >
> > Met vriendelijke groet/with kind regards,
> >
> > Jan van Bekkum
> > www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 1:55 PM, John Willis <jo...@mac.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I understand the risk of confusion, but:
> >
> > A - if there is any "informal" kind of tag there would
> > be people who tag particularly good sites to pitch a
> > tent in national parks or whatnot with them, and
> > though I can only think of a couple myself I'd
> > consider good enough to map, people will want to share
> > this as soon as they see "informal" is available,
> > so...
> >
> > B - I don't want informal - either turnout
> > car-camping, hotel adjacent camping, nor random
> > trekking camp clearings confused in any way with
> > proper, designated, car-camping /tent camping /
> > caravan facilities - and giving people a couple extra
> > tag values is going the reduce confusion so the actual
> > maintained camp sites are labeled and marked correctly
> > by taggers. I thought about the few car camping ("auto
> > camp") / tent camping sites I'd seen in Japan recently
> > and thought about how I would tag those, and the
> > thoughts about tent platforms came to mind, for
> > example, same with tagging their immaculate kitchens
> > and amenities in another thread.
> >
> > I'm not a big camper anymore, nor campsite tagger, but
> > I have been on hundreds of camping trips, covering
> > every facility mentioned several times over (save
> > RV/caravan sites) and there seems to be big
> > distinctions between all the kinds I mentioned - and
> > being able to convey those in tags seems relevant -
> > though maybe my input is not as important because I'm
> > not so interested in tagging those kind of sites.
> >
> > I hope my input was helpful, I will be voting yes on
> > whatever is decided.
> >
> > Javbw
> >
> > > On Mar 15, 2015, at 8:46 PM, sly (sylvain letuffe)
> > <lis...@letuffe.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > dieterdreist wrote
> > >>> Am 14.03.2015 um 05:41 schrieb John Willis <
> > >
> > >> johnw@
> > >
> > >> >:
> > >>>
> > >>> and mapping them for other Trekkers would be
> > useful only if they are not
> > >>> confused at all with all of the other, more
> > substatial or easily accessed
> > >>> spots in a camp or along a road.
> > >>
> > >> +1, I believe the tag for informal camping spots
> > should not just be a sub
> > >> key added to the same tag as for a commercial or
> > otherwise official camp
> > >> site, it should be a different main tag
> > >
> > > +1 from me as well. Too much risks of confusion of
> > too different concepts.
> > > (Please note that I just discovered on that page the
> > existence of
> > > impromptu=yes which imho should be warned against on
> > the wiki, and given
> > > it's rather low usage (400) after 8 years of
> > existence, could also be marked
> > > as proposed for deprecation in favor of another
> > tourism=x top tag
> > >
> > >
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