Warin wrote on 2015-03-14 03:16:
On 14/03/2015 11:31 AM, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
Thus my next stop was https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement
but, interestingly, it does not know yet about toll at all, yet.
No .. enforcement from the wiki is "permanently installed devices that measure and
document traffic violations" a toll is not a traffic violation.
Thus 'enforcement' is for traffic iolations - like speeding, red light running, tailgating ..
basically "breaking a law". Travelling on a toll road is not "breaking a law"
unless you fail to pay - and then you would not be booked under a traffic law, well
not here.
thanks for discussing this, but for the way the German system works, these
bridges are exactly doing this - they look for trucks that have _not_ paid
the toll. Toll is paid at terminals, often in fuel stations, or by contract,
and road usage is reported from a GPS based "On Board Unit".
Thus the camera bridges look for trucks that _do_ break the law by not having
used one of the methods for paying.
The English wikipedia page is a bit sparse, the German is more detailed,
and says that these camera bridges are even not allowed to monitor continuously
for data protection reasons, but only here and there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_Collect
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_Collect
I know that there are other countries where toll is collected the moment
you pass under such camera bridges, thus for those cases barrier=toll_booth
seems to be correct.
A toll booth is a physical object .. most automatic toll collection things have
no resemblance to an old toll booth.
Agreed, thus the 'barrier' key should only be used if it is a barrier that
stops you.
If it is a 'free-flow' method only, a different description should be found.
Probably a highway node, highway=toll_collection ?
barrier=toll_booth also seems to be abused for tagging paying stations for
parking fees, this seems inappropriate as well? Seems to be
vending=parking_tickets.
Yes .. but some toll booths may still exist for parking too.
Locally here toll booths exist and are used by the 'National Parks' to collect
entrance fees ... usually only on peak days (holidays, some weekends).
Well these are parking fees and entrance fees, not toll. Thus toll_booth seems
incorrect,
though for the National Park you might be right if it is primarily for driving
into the
park vs hiking into it.
Perhaps a new relation:toll to address the issue... that could have different
payment methods,
> cover a single point (or a line across a highway) or a point to point charge
system.
Probably very complicated with little added value. Tagging the road with
toll:hgv=yes
is sufficient from my perspective.
tom
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