Thanks for the quick reply Martin! I always assumed "commercial" => company => private. Same with "industrial => industry, otherwise we would have no need for building=civic / public.
reading through what you wrote, it seem like most of my suggested civic buildings would be landuse=commerical currently. The wiki pages for key:landuse and key:building pairs the buildings with the landuses (landuse=commercial suggests building=commercial, retail too), and there is building=public and building=civic (which is where they suggest using the amenity tags for townhall and community_center) - but crucially no suggested landuse. So I assumed because there is a building/landuse combo for commercial/retail/industrial/residential there would be a pair for civic as well. level too, which leads me to feel there is a gap to be filled with landuse=civic. I think the idea of separating the major public offices by landuse gives us the chance to visually separate them on the map via landuse instead of by building= or amenity= tags. To make a narrower tag definition, landuse=public_admin & =public_center would be the next narrowest definitions I can think of. public_admin would the city halls, courthouses, state, and capital buildings, embassies, etc. This is the most important one, IMO. public_center would be the community centers, libraries, public pools, public performance halls, etc. Maybe landuse=event would fall in there too. Thanks again for the quick reply. Tagging seems to have some some very very specific cases, and others where a catchall is used - and understanding the gaps, and why they are there is difficult for me sometimes. Thanks for helping explain the logic behind it. Javbw On Mar 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 2014-03-10 10:52 GMT+01:00 johnw <jo...@mac.com>: > Well, to me, landuse=civic it is the land that public owned, public accessed > facilities that not covered by a specific existing landuse (works, water > treatment plant, school, landfill, highways, railways). > > > IMHO we should not mix "specific" and "general" values in the same key. > Either we use only specific or only generic values, (and do subtagging if the > main tag is generic). > > If you want to state the ownership (public/private/etc.) I'd suggest to use > an additional tag, otherwise we would end up with different landuse tags for > the same feature (say a townhall or a ministry) dependent on the ownership. > > Additionally it seems quite arbitrary which features are covered by a > "specific existing landuse" and which aren't, so this is a strange criterium, > why not invent other specific values for the missing bits? > > > > In the built environment (not natural), there are some *general* landuses, > such as: > > - 4 private landuses (residential, industrial, commercial, retail) > > > IMHO there is currently no connotation whether these are private or publicly > owned. This is about the use of the area, not about ownership. > > > > - 1 Access restricted Public landuse (Military) > > > > even military can be private, look at all those private military contractors > nowadays. > > > > But absolutely no public built environment general definition landuses. > > > I can choose a specific one for a school, university/college, hospital, > landfill, park, recreation ground, airport, etc, but not for the > administration offices and other public services provided by the government. > They have no generic landuse of their own. > > > so far I have used "commercial" for public administration places. > > > > > > I think it it is necessary that hospitals and schools have a separate, > specific landuse, Just like a quarry or a landfill, but there has to be a > catchall to throw all the myriad of offices into. > > > If we should introduce a new specific landuse still I believe that "civic" is > too generic. > > > > Now, there are building labels for these buildings, but not for the land > surrounding them. > > > buildings are orthogonal to these kind of features (one feature can easily be > split over several buildings and outdoor areas and facilities, let's not mix > this up, the buildling tag says what kind of building this is, not what is > inside or how it is used). > > > > > While tagging these as I would a private office complex (building=commerical > / landuse=commercial), I found that building=civic/public has no coorsponding > landuse=civic/public tag, nothing remotely close. > > > I'd also question building=civic (way too generic IMHO). building=commercial > is some kind of office? There are also more specific tags like > "building=office_block" "building=office_tower", etc. for this. > > cheers, > Martin > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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