Hi again
Btw: feel invited to the osm IRC channel (#osm or - if you want, #osm-de
on irc.oftc.net) to discuss these "live".
We have some people here at the University of Paderborn who want to do
indoor mapping, too, and I myself work since nearly two yeary on
navigation for blind people (which requires mapping in detail), so I
know something about the problems ;)
Of course it would be possible to extend JOSM and other editors - but I
don't know of anybody seriously working on that in an extend useable for
current approaches.
As far as I can see, the tagging proposals are much faster appearing
than the tools support.
Most often the proposing parties (you? ;) ) do not support the tools
coding, so we have a lack of tools and more and more proposals, that get
unhandy because of increasing complexity to map that way with the
availlable editor software.
(note: additional comments between your lines!)
Am 17.11.2011 09:46, schrieb Andreas Balzer:
However there's currently a great deal of research being invested by
universities on this topic.
The problem with research projects of universities most often is, that
software has to be maintained and kept alive.
That may be the case sometimes, but often it isn't and these efforts die
together with the financial support of the one research project.
Research is a big deal for theorists that want to read the papers later,
and for the involved people.
Be careful to rely on research projects for practical use too much - or
too early.
Our university (TU München) had several bachelor theses on the topic
and our computer science department got mapped to some degree in
multiple layers (see
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=11.6665525436401&minlat=48.2617683410645&maxlon=11.6693410873413&maxlat=48.2632865905762
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=11.6665525436401&minlat=48.2617683410645&maxlon=11.6693410873413&maxlat=48.2632865905762>).
well...
I think, I would like to discuss that live, if possible. ;)
Me and three other master students got asked by our university to
create a prototype routing application for Windows Phone as part of
Imagine Cup. We are currently getting support by Microsoft and several
local public transport organizations to connect valuable data into the
prototype.
Sounds great. As I said here in Paderborn a similar project is going on
as far as I know - contact me privately to get more details, if you want.
I think when it's possible to prove that there is demand - by endusers
and companies, more OSM users get interested in mapping buildings in
their environment. Having a standard at that point in time will be
crucial. There's already a lot going on with staircases, layers and
certain elements on these layers. However there is nothing yet on
doors and the mentioned feature proposal seems to fit naturally in there.
I have been reading into OSM now for two days so I barely scratched
the surface but I guess a CS graphics chair could add 3d plugins to
JOSM to enable layered mapping. Do you know of anything in that
direction?
I don't know anything about it.
But the problem is not only coding the initial plugin. There are lots of
plugins for JOSM, that die because of nobody maintaining them, and
that's a problem you cannot solve by universities, I fear.
regards
Peter
P.S.: As said, you are invited to IRC, or you can contact me directly
via Jabber/XMPP (jongl...@jabber.ccc.de) or ICQ (141571821)
Andreas
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:30:38 +0100
From: wendo...@uni-paderborn.de
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Proposed
features/entrance/indoor-usage
Hi Andreas.
I am kind of a detail mapper (mapping sidewalks as own ways and so
on), but I am not sure about indoor mapping in general.
All OSM editor programs I know are not well fitting into the area of
editing more than one level/layer: bridges are okay as nodes are not
on the same location most often, but more is difficult.
If you ever tried to map a stairway from basement to the first floor
(or above) of a building, winding around in between, you will probably
know what I mean.
Mapping rooms is similar: Often Walls are exactly on top of each other
(as they carry the building's structure and roof).
You see: mapping rooms is not trivial in general, but IMHO the problem
is even bigger, if one already mapped the rooms of a building, while
another one wants to fix e.g. the shape of the building itself (this
may happen often).
What to do now with the rooms?
Of course that's a problem we always have when editing other's work;
but here it's really much data that has to be corrected, and it's
difficult to do so.
Room entrances of course are only useful in combination with rooms -
so that's my answer to your question.
BUT:
I would appreciate additions to JOSM (and other editors) helping to
deal with problems like this: multiple levels, the always discussed
problem of parallel osm-ways describing a road and so on.
If there would exist software support, I can imagine useful additional
mapping, yes.
regards
Peter
Am 17.11.2011 07:13, schrieb Andreas Balzer:
Hello,
I'm fairly new to openstreetmaps.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance/indoor-usage
is
kind of a no-brainer.
There is a feature regarding entrances to buildings. For me it
seems to be suited for indoor mapping to be used for entrances to
rooms too. Would be nice to get comments on this.
Thanks,
Andreas
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