a dangerousness scale for bikers has been many times discussed in my country. The problem is that even outside OSM itself, there is no real standard and many local initiatives (at municipalities level) do not have a common agreement about such scale. But it is clear for me that access=avoid is a mistake and should be replaced by the legal access value. If it is not clear in the wiki doc, then improve the wiki doc.

Pieren

What kind of dangerous situations? The exact inability to put that into a scale (and that of some other important values of a way/street) has lead to class:bicycle and other subjective tags.

I do agree, I would like to have a classification for exposure and other alpine dangers. I do hope that given good examples, a numerical scale (so JOSM and other editors don't fuck it up with getting users to enter it without understanding the scale) and maybe 2-3 tags could be doable.

Especially as right now many exposed ways get graded far too difficult (both on sac_scale as also less often on the mtb:scale) and both scales do not take exposure and other dangers (e.g. avalanche danger (mud/snow/slab/, loose rocks that force you to carry helmets, .....) into account but actually exclude them and thereby for a fair interpretation of an alpine way/route rely on having this info added as well.

Felix

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