On 20/12/2010 22:23, dies38...@mypacks.net wrote:
I came across http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Disused_road 
today.  I applied the proposal page template, indicating that the proposal had 
been obsoleted, as noted in the commentary on the page.  Looking at the tag 
info for highway (http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/highway), I see that 
there are presently 88 instances of highway=disused.

Would you support addition of highway=discussed to 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Deprecated_features as:
* Date: (date of agreement here)
* Old Key/Value: highway=disused
* Suggested Replacement: highway=*&  disused=yes&  access=yes (no implied)
* Reason: creation of general disused key

The main problem I see with this proposal is the indication at key:disused that 
the use of the key implies access=no, which is not necessarily true in the case 
of a highway which is disused.  Could this be circumvented by the inclusion of 
the 'access=yes' recommendation in the suggested replacement?

Thanks for considering this. --ceyockey 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ceyockey)

I think using disused=yes is a very bad idea.
It will break all of the existing renderers/applications that don't know about that key, as they will show disused roads as normal roads, or use them for routing etc. It means any routing application has to check for two different tags (or even more if you get things like abandoned=yes, construction=yes etc), before knowing whether the road is usable or not.

So I think disused=yes should be deprecated.
I think a better option would be a kind of namespace thing. eg something like highway:disused=primary etc. Then that will be safely ignored by any applications that don't know/care about these roads.

There's a useful page here which summarizes some of this, and the pros/cons of different options: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Comparison_of_life_cycle_concepts

Craig

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