On 2/5/10 8:22 AM, Richard Finegold wrote: > > You say some reference route numbers don't appear on signs. I can > think of two possibilities to explain this: > > 1) The state maintained road doesn't have a small green reference > marker. Maybe it's too short, or maybe any markers that would be > present are frequently stolen. > > 2) The small green reference markers are not considered signs, and the > web page http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NY_51_old_and_new_ref_mkrs.jpg > should have "[[Category:Road signs in New York]]" in the wiki source > deleted. > > Are either of these correct? > i should have phrased it differently.
the reference route numbers are only supposed to show up on the small green reference signs. these are too small to be easily readable at highway speeds. in cases where they don't show up on the small green reference markers, either it is because the reference markers have not been changed and carry an even older designation, or because the way is shared with a state touring route and that route number has been used on the reference marker instead. the distinction that i failed to make clear is the difference between a black & white shield for a NYS touring route, which in 4 cases carries a reference route number (done by accident, apparently), and the small green reference markers which are primarily used by emergency and sevice vehicles. so yes, there is usually signage. but someone trying to navigate using OSM would find it easier to follow the Bronx River Parkway if the shield generated by mapnik says (BRP) which resembles the sign used ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bronx_River_Pkwy_Shield.svg ) than if it contains (907H) which will only be seen on the small green marker. it comes down to what does the "ref" tag really mean. the renderers in common use stick it in a generated shield; if i stick a symbol tag on the relation for the road, well, currently that isn't being used (and i would agree with the position that renderers maybe should honor that, but well, they don't right now.) in building relations for the parkways, i have been entertained by the fact that the reference route numbers are showing up frequently in the name_1 tag from tiger, and i see that they are showing up in google maps as the names of the roads as well. richard _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
