I have used sympy.physics.mechanics, Kane's method, on many, surely over 
100 or 200 simulations. As you say, it is awsome!
Which book are yopu referring to, if I may ask? Calos Roithmyr's book?

frank....@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 21. Juli 2025 um 19:09:12 UTC+2:

> I was hoping to be able to manipulate vector objects in lieu of arrays of 
> components. When you work on a component basis, it's gets hard to recognize 
> cross and dot products when there chain of dots and crosses. It seems like 
> they could be another symbol class that has a slightly different set of 
> rules. I wonder if sagemath has something, although using sagemath seems to 
> be way more complicated...
>
> I am using the mechanics pkg (it's awesome!). I going through a text on 
> Kane's method and trying to do every problem in the book with sympy. I run 
> into difficulties with some of the proofs where you have to expand multiple 
> dot product, cross products, and triple products. Currently I default to a 
> tablet and just do it by hand.
>
> I can't imagine grinding on all the algebra by hand...you'd need to take 
> my belt and shoelaces...
>
> On Monday, July 21, 2025 at 12:08:47 PM UTC-4 asme...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, I think the stuff in mechanics is the best way to achieve what 
>> you are looking for right now. It might be good to try to unify some 
>> of this stuff at some point, since much of what is in mechanics isn't 
>> really specific to mechanics or even physics. 
>>
>> Aaron Meurer 
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2025 at 10:44 AM Peter Stahlecker 
>> <peter.st...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > In sympy.physics.mechanics, I can create, say, three point P1, P2, P3 
>> > make 
>> > u = P1.pos_from(P2) 
>> > v = P2.pos_from(P3) 
>> > 
>> > and can get 
>> > w = u.cross(v) 
>> > 
>> > but maybe I am missing a point. 
>> > 
>> > asme...@gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 19. Juli 2025 um 18:10:36 UTC+2: 
>> >> 
>> >> I would also suggest using matrix expressions for this. The main issue 
>> >> is that matrix expressions currently don't have a Cross operation. It 
>> >> wouldn't be too hard to make one by subclassing MatrixExpr. I would 
>> >> suggest opening an issue about this. 
>> >> 
>> >> The diff thing is another issue because currently there isn't a way to 
>> >> represent functions in the matrix expressions 
>> >> https://github.com/sympy/sympy/issues/5855 
>> >> https://github.com/sympy/sympy/issues/19265 
>> >> 
>> >> Aaron Meurer 
>> >> 
>> >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2025 at 1:24 AM Jason Moore <moore...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote: 
>> >> > 
>> >> > I do not think there is a VectorSymbol type of object. If there was 
>> you could imagine doing things like: 
>> >> > 
>> >> > R = VectorSymbol('R', 3) 
>> >> > r = VectorSymbol('r', 3) 
>> >> > R.diff(t).cross(r.diff(t)) 
>> >> > 
>> >> > We do have a MatrixSymbol object that may do what you desire. You 
>> can create nx1 column matrices and then do such operations. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Jason 
>> >> > moorepants.info 
>> >> > +01 530-601-9791 <(530)%20601-9791> 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 11:28 PM Frank Senkel <frank....@gmail.com> 
>> wrote: 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Does sympy handle vector expressions vs instances of specific 
>> vectors?..so AxBxC vs [a1,a2,a3] x [b1, b2, b3]...something like this. 
>> >> >> 
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