Am 13.07.2015 um 16:39 schrieb Jason Moore:
I apologize for insulting you.
Okay.
> I have no intention of insulting you but I find that
the majority of your responses to emails/pr/issues are in essence nitpicks
or bikesheds.
Yeah... it's all things that one of the project leads or another has
insisted on in the past.
Personally, I'm happy with whatever the bikeshed color is, but if the
majority said "yellow" then I'm telling newbies to do yellow. Except it
doesn't help if one project lead steps in and insist on light brown,
because that's how he perceived that color (and sometimes a project
leads insists on green, because he doesn't remember, or cares more about
personal pet peeves, or both).
Things are getting even worse if somebody tries to clean up PEP8 stuff,
at which point somebody else steps in and declared that it's bad for the
git log. So I take home that the git log is important (which I can agree
with), and now I see a policy for merging which is bad for the git
log... really, this all is driving me mad.
Oh, and all of this bikeshedding and sidetracking discussion while I'm
waiting for the really interesting stuff to even get discussed, let
alone merged.
So there's that source of frustration for me - my nitpicking and
bikeshedding is just a mirror of what I get from the project, and trying
to make it (mostly) unnecessary to do PEP8 cleanup but now *you* are
dissatisfied.
Plus, there are things about SymPy that are harder to fix and more
difficult to reach a consensus about than PEP8 or even git workflow, but
if we cannot get the project itself to stick with these simple things, I
have little hope that the complicated stuff will ever get done in a
sustainable fashion. We already have lots of orphaned code (I
wholeheartedly agree to the push for module maintainers, though maybe
"coordinator" would be a better term - as rightfully said, it's not
important that the person in charge knows everything, knowing whom to
ping in case of trouble is more important).
> I feel exhausted reading most of them and at this point I try
to avoid reading your responses at all. This last response to my email,
which was simply a reminder of a current "policy", irked me enough to
finally say something more explicitly.
Well, the announcement irked me because
a) it got some facts wrong,
b) it presented a conclusion that I consider less than ideal,
c) it hinted at a discussion with no way to check the discussion and see
how the consensus was reached, iow it was a decree "from above", and
hence not open to revision and soon going to be gospel to be followed by
the letter instead of guidelines where people have a chance to know when
it's appropriate to follow them and when not,
d) it's very strong language that massively overstates the policy.
Not in order of relevance, I think (b) was least relevant to me.
I am happy to have a conversation in whatever medium you want about this
once you are willing to. I do think we can come up with something
worthwhile, as we are both reasonable people.
I have started questioning whether SymPy is worthwhile for me.
Partly for reasons in the project (the above is an overly long
exposition - sorry for that! - of a large part of them), partly for
reasons on my side (other projects, dissatisfaction with Python as a
language, that kind of stuff).
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