> JSword allows the setting of a Greek Mophology module. It doesn’t use the > work given in the morph or lemma attributes. Forked XST can provide a > different mechanism.
Ok so this answers why Packard seems to be ignored. But the question remains why LXX does not display the Morphology, whereas TR does. John > — DM Smith > From my phone. Brief. Weird autocorrections. > > > On Feb 7, 2019, at 3:26 PM, pierre amadio <amadio.pie...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi there ! > > > > I find it strange that the LXX module tells it is using packard's > > morphological code. > > > > Earlier in 2018, I started to use the LXX module (Version 2.5) and > > installed the Packard module as well. > > Then, i realised that the tool I was using gave me a lot of wrong > > information. > > > > The error were visible with diatheke as well, so it was not a bug in > > the frontend i was using: > > > > $ diatheke -b LXX -o avm -f PLAIN -k Gen 1:1 > > Genesis 1:1: εν (PREP) αρχη (N-DSF) εποιησεν (V-AAI-3S) ο (T-NSM) θεος > > (N-NSM) τον (T-ASM) ουρανον (N-ASM) και (CONJ) την (T-ASF) γην (N-ASF) > > (LXX) > > > > θεος (N-NSM) is obviously nominative, however asking for the packard > > key gives vocative as a result. > > > > $ diatheke -b Packard -f PLAIN -k N-NSM > > : Part of speech: noun, indeclinable proper noun Case: vocative > > Number: singular Gender: neuter > > > > Looking at εποιησεν (V-AAI-3S), it tells me it is a passive pluperfect 3s... > > > > Now, for the same codes, the robinson module gives result thats looks > > correct: > > > > $ diatheke -b Robinson -f PLAIN -k N-NSM > > : * Part of Speech *: Noun > > * Case *: Nominative > > * Number *: Singular > > * Gender *: Masculine > > (Robinson) > > > > $ diatheke -b Robinson -f PLAIN -k V-AAI-3S > > : * Part of Speech *: Verb > > * Tense *: Aorist > > * Voice *: Active > > * Mood *: Indicative > > * Person *: third > > * Number *: Singular > > (Robinson) > > > > I do not know if this is related to your problem, nor why LXX is > > mentionning packard in the morph code tag, but it could be interesting > > to see what happen if you try to use the Robinson module instead of > > the Packard one. > > > >> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 20:41, Dudeck, John <john.dud...@sim.org> wrote: > >> > >> Further info: > >> > >> I dumped the LXX and TR modules using mod2imp. > >> > >> 1) I see that the LXX morphology uses the module packard. So I downloaded > >> packard from Crosswire. > >> > >> 2) I see that those words that do not have a Strongs number have the > >> morphology duplicated in the Strongs field (!!!) So in Malachi 1:1 you can > >> see for the first word it shows: > >> > >> <w lemma="strong:GN-NSN" morph="packard:N-NSN">λημμα</w> > >> > >> which is wrong! > >> > >> $$$Malachi 1:1 > >> <w lemma="strong:GN-NSN" morph="packard:N-NSN">λημμα</w> <w > >> lemma="strong:G3056" morph="packard:N-GSM">λογου</w> <w > >> lemma="strong:G2962" morph="packard:N-GSM">κυριου</w> <w > >> lemma="strong:G1909" morph="packard:PREP">επι</w> <w lemma="strong:G3588" > >> morph="packard:T-ASM">τον</w> <w lemma="strong:G2474" > >> morph="packard:N-PRI">ισρα·»</w> <w lemma="strong:G1722" > >> morph="packard:PREP">εν̼̯ͷ> <w lemma="strong:G5495" > >> morph="packard:N-DSF">ǵ¹ρι̼̯ͷ> <w lemma="strong:G32" > >> morph="packard:N-GSM">±³³µ»ου̼̯ͷ̾ <w lemma="strong:G846" > >> morph="packard:D-GSM">±ÅÄ¿υ̼̯w> <w lemma="strong:G5087" > >> morph="packard:V-AMM-2P"̾θεøµ</w> <w lemma="strong:G1211" > >> morph="packard:PRT"̾δη̼/w> <w lemma="strong:G1909" > >> morph="packard:PREP">µÀ¹̼̯ͷ̠̾<w lemma="strong:G3588" > >> morph="packard:T-APF">ıÂ</ͷ̠̼̾ͷ lemma="strong:G2588" > >> morph="packard:N-APF">º±Á´¹±Â̼̯ͷ̠̼̾w lemma="strong:G5216" > >> morph="packard:P-GP">żɽ</ͷ̾ > >> > >> A quick regular expression shows that there are 30512 words where the > >> strongs number has morphology in the field out of 475348 total words. > >> > >> 3) The morphology field is not being displayed by AndBible. Only Strongs > >> is being displayed. I see no differences in the tagging syntax used. > >> > >> > >> The mods.d/lxx.conf and tr.conf files both contain: > >> > >> GlobalOptionFilter=OSISStrongs > >> GlobalOptionFilter=OSISMorph > >> Feature=StrongsNumbers > >> > >> So I don't understand why one displays the Morphology codes and the other > >> does not. > >> > >> Any ideas? > >> > >> John > >> > >>> The behavior in AndBible for the LXX is rather odd. It doesn't matter > >>> where you look in the text, > >>> the symptoms appear the same everywhere. > >>> > >>> When you tap 'nnnn' to display Strongs numbers, it displays the Strongs > >>> numbers, BUT for those > >>> words where there is no Strongs, it displays a Morphology code. As David > >>> mentions, in Mal 1:1, it > >>> shows N-NSN for the first word, and Strongs numbers for the rest of the > >>> words in the verse. > >>> > >>> If you open the display menu (three dots menu), Strongs and Morphology > >>> are both checked. If you > >>> uncheck Morphology, nothing changes in the display. If you check > >>> Morphology and uncheck > >>> Strongs, all of the Strongs disappear, and no Morphology codes are > >>> displayed. If you then touch > >>> 'nnnn' again, it displays Strongs, but in the display menu Strongs is > >>> unchecked and Morphology is > >>> checked but grayed out. > >>> > >>> If you touch a Strongs number, it displays the entry as expected. If you > >>> touch a Morphology code > >>> (eg. N-NSN as above), it looks up the word 'N-NSN' in Strongs Hebrew and > >>> displays the entry > >>> 3476 Naasson. If you touch 'V-PAPRP', it displays entry 3578 xenia from > >>> Strong's Greek. > >>> > >>> By comparison with the TR Textus Receptus, when you tap 'nnnn' to display > >>> Strongs numbers, it > >>> displays the Strongs number followed by the Morphology (with no space > >>> between). You can touch > >>> the number and it brings up the Strongs entry from Strongs Greek. You can > >>> touch the Morphology > >>> and it brings up the Robinson's codes. If you open the display menu and > >>> uncheck Morphology, it > >>> shows only the Strongs numbers. However you cannot display Morphology if > >>> Strongs is not > >>> displayed. > >>> > >>> I would assume that the behavior of the display menu in AndBible is an > >>> AndBible issue, and it's > >>> not really a problem, just a minor logic bug. But the inability to > >>> display Morphology in LXX is an > >>> issue. > >>> > >>> I imagine this could either be addressed in AndBible, or in the LXX > >>> source. Is Tuomas reading > >>> this, or do I need to write him separately? > >>> > >>> Where do I find the LXX source? Maybe this is something that can be > >>> corrected fairly easily. > >>> > >>> John > >>> > >>>> LXX installed in PocketSword can display both or either. > >>>> > >>>> There are some tagging errors such as the one I spotted in the first > >>>> word of Malachi 1:1 > >>>> > >>>> I’ve not looked at more than one location before responding on whether > >>>> the 2 features work. > >>>> > >>>> Could it be AndBible or did you perhaps sample a location with many more > >>>> tagging issues? > >>>> > >>>> David > >>>> > >>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 01:19, Dudeck, John <john.dud...@sim.org> wrote: > >>>> Greetings. > >>>> > >>>> I've just tried loading the LXX in AndBible. Supposedly it has both > >>>> Strongs numbers and > >>>> Morphology tagging. But in AndBible it only displays Morphology when > >>>> there is no Strongs > >>>> number on a given word. And in that case it tries to look up the > >>>> Morphology in Strongs. In > >>>> Xiphos you can see where there is no Strongs number in those cases. > >>>> > >>>> By the way I am using our own French version of Strongs. Is the > >>>> morphology lookup > >>>> supposed to be in Strongs for LXX? With the Textus Receptus it needs > >>>> Robinson's module. > >>>> > >>>> In contrast the Textus Receptus displays both Strongs and Morphology. > >>>> > >>>> Does this mean there is a tagging problem in the LXX? Or is it an > >>>> AndBible/Jsword > >>>> problem? John Dudeck Programmer at Editions Cle Lyon, France john.dud...@sim.org j...@editionscle.com -- "Waiting on God requires the willingness to bear uncertainty, to carry within oneself the unanswered question, lifting the heart to God about it whenever it intrudes upon one's thoughts." -- Elisabeth Elliot
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