To which we might add
d) Sometimes an index seems to install OK, but subsequently appears as
unavailable when you try to search the same module in PS.
We don't know the root cause yet. Maybe there is also a technical
compatibility issue?
For my part, before today, it wasn't apparent that the indices for
non-CrossWire modules are hosted on our server.
This explains how the Xiphos hosted modules all have an index.
Regards,
David
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On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 09:08, ref...@gmx.net <ref...@gmx.net> wrote:
> I think the summary of the indexing discussion is
>
> a) something goes wrong right now due to the multiple virtual machines. This
> situation is in flux but will resolve in next few weeks. Creating workarounds
> seems to me a waste of my time.
>
> b) iPhones are nowadays perfectly capable of creating indices, PocketSword
> needs an update, but Nic has no time, no other volunteer has come forward.
>
> c) eBible modules do not get indexed right now and while Michael could add
> indexing to his workflow he would prefer PocketSword getting fixed.
>
> Seems a bit a stalemate.
>
> Personally I suggest instead of discussing more we should pray for a new
> volunteer to support PocketSword or Bishop on iPhone.
>
> Peter
>
> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird autocorrects.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Module upload: BlaMat
> From: David Haslam
> To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
> CC:
>
>> Thanks, Nic,
>>
>> Indices for older module versions?
>>
>> What if a user hasn’t installed the latest module, but hadn’t already
>> installed the index for the earlier version of the module?
>>
>> David
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 06:24, Nic Carter <niccar...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Yes, PocketSword does things the unadvised way because initially it took
>>> forever to create a search index on a device when PS was first created. I
>>> haven’t tested things recently (in the past 5 years?), but I’m guessing any
>>> device from the last 3 years should be more than up to the task, and older
>>> devices are probably ok.
>>> However, I haven’t had time to investigate, and I’m in the process of
>>> moving countries, so it won’t happen any time soon.
>>>
>>> PocketSword currently looks for a search index on the CW server. There are
>>> scripts that are run when Peter creates a new module that will create the
>>> index and upload it to the correct place. I used to manually run scripts to
>>> create them for the other official repos about once a month, but it has
>>> been a long time since that has happened. I investigated doing that for
>>> eBible, but due to the LARGE number of modules (yay!) and the rapid
>>> updating of them (also yay), creating an index for each version of each
>>> module would have not worked. You need a new index for a new version of a
>>> module, obviously, as the text _may_ have changed. (Sometimes a version
>>> number gets bumped because of a conf change.)
>>>
>>> Currently, the CW server is being migrated. I believe that is causing some
>>> issues for some of Peter’s scripts, so hopefully once the migration is
>>> completed, everything will be working swimmingly again?
>>>
>>> FYI: PS looks at the HTTP (well, HTTPS) mirror of the CW FTP server for all
>>> modules & downloads indices from
>>> https://www.crosswire.org/pocketsword/indices/v1/
>>> If you follow that link, you actually see that BlaMat-1.0.zip AND
>>> BlaMat-1.0.1.zip are available there, so it appears the indices are working
>>> for that module?
>>>
>>> I hope that helps? Gotta run.
>>> Nic. :)
>>>
>>>> On 17 Dec 2018, at 9:04 am, Troy A. Griffitts <scr...@crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> To chime in about PocketSword indexes, CrossWire does not officially
>>>> support downloading pre-generated search indexes for our modules. SWORD,
>>>> and thus PocketSword has the ability to generate the search indexes on the
>>>> client, like every other SWORD frontend. PocketSword asked for disk space
>>>> because they were pre-generating these for some reason at the start of
>>>> their frontends and we accommodated. I am not sure who is maintaining
>>>> PocketSword these days, but rather than asking all of our module repos to
>>>> pre-generated search indexes for one of our frontends, I would suggest
>>>> someone just change the PocketSword Download function to instead call the
>>>> SWORD makeSearchIndex function.
>>>>
>>>> Troy
>>>>
>>>> On December 16, 2018 2:53:57 PM MST, "ref...@gmx.net" <ref...@gmx.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No one is fobbing you off, David. Not answering on the mailing list is
>>>>> normal if you are not able to.help.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are two separate issues here. For one reason the indices I produce
>>>>> for CrossWire are sometimes visible and sometimes not. I am clueless why,
>>>>> but presume the two servers are the problem. I have not looked into that
>>>>> further due to.travel. dM gave me some hints.
>>>>>
>>>>> EBible is a separate matter. In short , this is Michael's repo and he
>>>>> needs to produce indices or find a way to produce them automatically.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird
>>>>> autocorrects.
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Module upload: BlaMat
>>>>> From: David Haslam
>>>>> To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
>>>>> CC:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep pushing at this issue and I get fobbed off repeatedly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None of the eBible.org modules have an installable search index for PS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is nobody seeking to fix this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where does PS look?
>>>>>> Which server?
>>>>>> Which path ?
>>>>>> What protocol?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who maintains such a sync ?
>>>>>> Has it ever been tested ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The requirements are not transparent.
>>>>>> We ought to document them in our wiki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If modules on the Xiphos repo do have a search index, why not eBible.org
>>>>>> too?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 21:32, ref...@gmx.net <ref...@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the sync script runs only once every so often..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird
>>>>>>> autocorrects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Module upload: BlaMat
>>>>>>> From: David Haslam
>>>>>>> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
>>>>>>> CC:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Installed bla1890eb from eBible.org to PocketSword.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No search index available!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone working on providing all these for this repository? What’s
>>>>>>>> the main stumbling block?
>>>>>>>> Where does PS look?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still no Blackfoot language or equivalent found in CrossWire Main.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter - what’s making it invisible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 19:52, Kahunapule Michael Johnson
>>>>>>>> <kahunap...@ebible.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much, David, for pointing out that there was a problem
>>>>>>>>> with the eBible.org repository. It turns out that the ftp server was
>>>>>>>>> failing to follow a symbolic link, probably due to a "security"
>>>>>>>>> update. (Yes, following symbolic links CAN be a security risk, but
>>>>>>>>> this was a breaking change that I wasn't aware of until just now.)
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we are back in service. The Blackfoot Matthew module is
>>>>>>>>> listed under the language autonym (Siksika).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/16/18 9:01 AM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Aloha!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A Blackfoot Matthew module is in the eBible.org repository as
>>>>>>>>>> bla1890eb, sourced from Jon Bitgood's digitization. (Duplication of
>>>>>>>>>> Public Domain texts doesn't bother me, by the way, but it might be
>>>>>>>>>> worth checking before working on a module if duplicated effort might
>>>>>>>>>> bother you.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am trying to figure out what is going on with the eBible.org
>>>>>>>>>> repository, right now. It looks like it is visible via ftp, http,
>>>>>>>>>> and https, but refreshes on some front ends come up empty.
>>>>>>>>>> Investigating...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/16/18 7:28 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Peter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was aware of Jon Bitgood having several projects on GitHub. I’ve
>>>>>>>>>>> even commented on some of them during 2017.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here’s my problem:
>>>>>>>>>>> The language Blackfoot does not appear, nor does any unknown
>>>>>>>>>>> language code, looking at the CrossWire Main repo from PocketSword.
>>>>>>>>>>> And that’s after a contents refresh.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NB. Michael Johnson works closely with the Digital Bible Society.
>>>>>>>>>>> He knows Jon Bitgood. Are we potentially duplicating content that
>>>>>>>>>>> would ordinarily be hosted on the eBible.org rep?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Btw. It looks right now as though the eBible.org repo has become
>>>>>>>>>>> unavailable. Is this the case for all users? Hopefully, this is
>>>>>>>>>>> merely a temporary outage.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 16:19, Peter von Kaehne <ref...@gmx.net
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ref...@gmx.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2018-12-16 at 14:28 +0000, David Haslam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please tell us additionally in these announcements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Module type
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Language
>>>>>>>>>>>> Added to work list
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve not yet been able to find BlaMat.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is Jon Bitgood's effort to digitise the Blackfoot Gospel of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blackfeet are one of the First Nations of Northern America.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I found his work on GitHub and started taking it on. There are some
>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it still and i have opened issues but I think it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> worthwhile to start publishing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am far from sure how many Blackfoot speakers still exist but how
>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>>>>>> few, I do think we owe them. Them and all other decimated First
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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