Hi Cyrille,
FIO. Module FreVulgGlaire is not yet ready to be submitted. It's still a "Work
in Progress".
Last year there was a period of several weeks while I was waiting for MB to
respond to a PR in GitHub.
She did eventually merge it just before Christmas, so I hope to pick up again
soon from where I'd left off.
If anyone else is interested in this project, please visit
https://github.com/MarjorieBurghart/VulgateGlaire
When things go quiet on one project, generally I just switch my efforts to
another.
In this case, I think the LinVB project was the one that then benefitted.
Everyone: Your prayers for all such text development projects would be
appreciated.
Best regards,
David
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] LXX v11n issues
> Local Time: 7 January 2018 2:45 PM
> UTC Time: 7 January 2018 14:45
> From: lafricai...@gmail.com
> To: David Haslam <dfh...@protonmail.com>, SWORD Developers' Collaboration
> Forum <sword-devel@crosswire.org>
>
> Le 07/01/2018 à 15:42, David Haslam a écrit :
>
>> Cyrille,
>>
>> As yet, CrossWire does not distribute a module called FreVulgGlaire.
>>
>> However, I have done some text development in GitHub for the VulgGlaire repo
>> of Marjorie Burghart.
>> Out of that should eventually come a SWORD module submission.
>> I already made a preliminary module for testing purposes.
>>
>> Is this what you had in mind?
>
> YES :) FreVulgGlaire!
>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
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>>
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 14:07, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 07/01/2018 à 14:59, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Unlike having a minor problem where an alternative translation of one
>>>> verse can be relegated to a footnote,
>>>> Rahlf's LXX presents a major difficulty to SWORD by having alternatives
>>>> for whole books.
>>>
>>> Not for all books, but for Judge, Tobit and Daniel (Suzanne and Bel). I saw
>>> in the Vulglaire module something like 2 translation?
>>>
>>>> This cannot simply be solved in OSIS and still have a single module.
>>>>
>>>> I think it requires two modules A & B.
>>>>
>>>> The B module need not include the non-duplicated books.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone got a better solution?
>>>
>>> Ok I consider now I can pressed to a new module creation, for LXX, with the
>>> current v11n. The source will be the Rahlfs text. If another solution is
>>> not found, I will creat 2 modules for each different texts.
>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 13:50, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Le 07/01/2018 à 14:38, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was referring to the fact that Rahlf's has 2 different versions for
>>>>>> some books.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah ok, yes I see this two different versions of some books. Then you
>>>>> propose to create 2 modules? Or Osis propose an option to add the two
>>>>> translation?
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wasn't referring to the IMP file you generated from the existing
>>>>>> module using mod2imp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 09:28, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 07/01/2018 à 10:06, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cyrille,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even if you build the module from IMP using imp2vs, any duplicated
>>>>>>>> verses will be overwritten by the occurrence in the second instance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which module are you talking about? What I did: I downloaded the Lxxm
>>>>>>> file I processed with the lxxm.jar script, the result was a brand new
>>>>>>> imp file. With which I tried to create a new module with imp2vs, but
>>>>>>> nothing is displayed in xiphos. Maybe you can test on your computer.
>>>>>>> That's where I am with lxxm sources.
>>>>>>> As for my module. I can now, if you validate my proposal, create a new
>>>>>>> module for the LXX from the Rahlfs edition, with the accents, but
>>>>>>> without the morphology and the numbers of strong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The module would thus lose content that exists in the source text.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 07:33, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 21:19, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now that you understand that, does this change anything regarding
>>>>>>>>>> the proposed three new catholic lit av11ns ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No because for the Catholic we have not to do a "compromise" of
>>>>>>>>> different version, all version are the same.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For LXX, I don't understand exactly what to do with the LXXM.imp
>>>>>>>>> file. For this reason I propose to create a new module with all the
>>>>>>>>> LXX books from Rahlfs version (Or you can give me the way to use the
>>>>>>>>> LXXM.imp :) ). If someone desire to have the Strong and Morpho he can
>>>>>>>>> still install the "old" module.
>>>>>>>>> After, if someone can add to the new LXX osis file, strong and he can
>>>>>>>>> use this new source file.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, David
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 20:09, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:51, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Cyrille,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you taking into account my comment about our v11ns being
>>>>>>>>>>>> supersets from multiple Bibles and the comments at the beginning
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the LXX v11n?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I understand well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> // This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow
>>>>>>>>>>>> encoding of Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based
>>>>>>>>>>>> versification systems. In particular, it was produced in
>>>>>>>>>>>> consultation with OTs:
>>>>>>>>>>>> // Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, & Thomson's editiNOtions
>>>>>>>>>>>> // R. H. Charles' & James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apocrypha & Pseudepigrapha
>>>>>>>>>>>> // Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah
>>>>>>>>>>>> translations from the LXX
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> // In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this
>>>>>>>>>>>> system to facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB,
>>>>>>>>>>>> which are translated from the LXX but include the NT as well. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> following NTs were consulted in producing this versification
>>>>>>>>>>>> system:
>>>>>>>>>>>> // Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB
>>>>>>>>>>>> // the NKJV (OSB NT) & NRSV translations
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> // All of these Bibles & texts should be accomodated by this
>>>>>>>>>>>> versification definition without requiring that any extra verses
>>>>>>>>>>>> be appended; as a consequence, no Bible will include every verse
>>>>>>>>>>>> of this system.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:47 PM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:13, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These v11ns are not in the sources because we are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> researching. But since these have been double checked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> printed editions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the printing edition!! And this report is about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> printing edition, not about the doc file. But the doc file
>>>>>>>>>>>>> correspond exactly to the printing edition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I highly doubt whatever 'errors' you see are actually errors in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the v11n, but rather a bad source text. I am sorry for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speculating, but I know these v11ns were checked and verified by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a second individual against a printed edition and also know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is a ton of low quality texts online which claim to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things which they are not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The check was not good done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are simply my suspicions without having the time now to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put in the research. I hope you find a way to check and confirm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I can confirm this :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current canon_LXX.h and the LXX,rahlfs.h don't match with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> printing edition, I have with me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:06 PM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 18:36, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Cyrille,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just did a brief diff between the canon_lxx.h and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canon_lxx-super.h I sent you in my previous email, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences don't look like anything useful. I must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mistaken about what this file is. Have a read of the comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the file I send and those in the canon_lxx.h included in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.8.0. They are very similar, but the *-super.h v11n includes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this comment near the end of the header:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is not intended for critical editions that separately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encode variant traditions of Joshua, Judges, Tobit, etc. that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are already served by the Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure to what the "Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refers, nor the /quod vide/ at the end of the reference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could possibly refer to the analysis of Rahlfs in the LXX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> v11n folder I send to you earlier, specifically here, but I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My question is why this v11n are not in the sources? And I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compare the Rahlfs.h, it's not good... still a lot of issues. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready to perform it. Please let me know the good way to help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it clear for me that for the current source I have, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not possible to use the current LXX v11n.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I do not see any accommodation for alternate traditions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there. I may need to go search old emails to dig up the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 09:36 AM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 17:16, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Cyrille,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a few comments which I hope will clear up a few things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sword-tools SVN repo needs to be checked out to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer before you can run the convert.sh for CCAT. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repo contains the .jar file you asked about. You cannot just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download the individual convert.sh script.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok It's clear. I need to clone it with hg? The user is this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the automatic email send? If it is this email I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find it again:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SWORD versifications are often a superset for multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bibles. The SWORD engine provides a facility for frontends
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to easily skip empty entries. Thus, when you discover that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chapter here or a chapter there has too many verses, it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably that way to support another Bible which has more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verses for that chapter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LXX v11n has been researched extensively by Chris and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others. There are many issues regarding the LXX which are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not easily resolved, e.g., Rahlfs providing two textual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traditions of the same book in parallel with different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versifications. I h research for LXX in general can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK but what to do?? Is it possible to use the Rahlfs with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> osis2mod? Because Rahlfs is not the current one. I have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rahlfs text. If I use the current LXX v11n with my text I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have really a lot of issues!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On January 6, 2018 9:01:01 AM MST, Cyrille
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [<lafricai...@gmail.com>](mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verify the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> errors!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please can you give me the list of the current modules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using LXX v11n?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will propose a new with correction, some books give me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worries, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make you a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A. Rahlfs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Br Cyrille
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