Thanks, DM. Maybe I will get to it sometime soon.
Daniel
On 1/14/16 6:58 PM, DM Smith wrote:
Thanks for the info. I like your work and think it should be a module. I’ve got
a few higher priorities right now, so it’ll be a few months before I can even
consider it.
DM
On Jan 13, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Daniel Owens <dhow...@pmbx.net> wrote:
DM,
I sent a response but I used the wrong email address. Here is my initial
response:
***
This module has never worked, as far as I can tell. I never was able to chase
down why or convince Chris (who first put it up) to fix it. Thanks for calling
attention to this, DM.
Now the source file has many corrections to the markup and data
(https://github.com/translatable-exegetical-tools/Abbott-Smith/blob/master/abbott-smith.tei.xml).
So I suggest a new module needs to be made. I am having trouble validating on
my Mac, but must have to do with my setup. If someone can run xmllint and fix
any validation problems, I would appreciate that.
I would also appreciate someone creating a new module. It has been a long time
since I have been able to successfully compile and test a TEI module. If
someone has time and expertise to do this, I would be grateful because the TEI
lexicon module creation cycle is a series of mysteries to me.
***
To answer your question about the NT occurrences, we added this to make the
source file more useful for things like generating vocabulary lists, etc. It
can safely be removed using XSLT for the purpose of creating a SWORD module. In
the Github repository you can see the scripts I created years ago to create a
SWORD module. I suspect you could cook up something better off the top of your
head, but feel free to have a look.
You can also safely add the zero filling to the Strong's numbers. But the
source file is set up with the actual Greek lexeme as the entry @n because it
is not Strongs. And that is how it should be. I wish the engine could deal
properly with this. The Strong's numbers are a sort of legacy hack to support
texts that are tagged using Strong's numbers. But now we have a better text
that is not tagged with Strong's (the morphgnt-sblgnt module). Other texts
should be deprecated and lexicon modules keyed to Greek lexemes.
It is one of my frustrations that the Sword engine has never adequately
supported real Greek lexemes, as you find in the morphgnt-sblgnt module. The
Abbott-Smith module has Strong's numbers only because that is the quickest hack
to connecting words in legacy texts to real lexicon entries. But it should not
always be so. We should be moving away from Strong's numbers and toward
something more up-to-date. I believe Troy worked on this issue at one time (we
sat down at SBL in 2011 to do this), but I have never seen it fully supported
by the frontends.
Anyway, personal rant against Strong's numbers aside, I would love to see this
module working in Sword, so if anyone can get it going, I would be super
grateful. Perhaps an initial module needs to be created just with Strong's
numbers and then an experimental module with the real Greek to provide
something for developers to work with.
Daniel
On 1/14/16 8:42 AM, DM Smith wrote:
Based on your and Karl’s reply, I’m going to move it to the experimental part
of the repository.
Best I can tell, it doesn’t work because the Strong’s number isn’t zero filled
and I’ve not found any support for Strong’s numbers that aren’t padded.
To rebuild the module, we have to change the Strong’s numbers from G1 to G0001,
G2 to G0002 and so forth. It was a nice idea to have the Strong’s numbers and
the Greek words as separate entry. It’s not practical, especially since they
are fully accented.
To create a module from the TEI source (Thank you Daniel for the work you’ve put into it. I see that
you are a major contributor.) one needs to cut the <entry>…</entry> out of the file into
it’s own file, then run that through tei2mod. There’s a bug in all of the TEI dictionary modules where
the <entry …> is not in the module, but </entry> is. tei2mod should have kept both or
dropped both.
If I were to make the module, I’d use xslt to transform the xml. The one thing that I think
is missing in the entry is the word. It is represented in the <orth> element, but it
is not the same. I also find it odd that there is a leading <note> with the number of
occurrences in the NT. I’ve not looked at the pdf to see where that came from.
In Him,
DM
On Jan 13, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Daniel Owens <dcowen...@gmail.com> wrote:
This module has never worked, as far as I can tell. I never was able to chase
down why or convince Chris (who first put it up) to fix it. Thanks for calling
attention to this, DM.
Now the source file has many corrections to the markup and data
(https://github.com/translatable-exegetical-tools/Abbott-Smith/blob/master/abbott-smith.tei.xml).
So I suggest a new module needs to be made.
However, it has been a long time since I have been able to successfully compile
and test a TEI module. If someone has time and expertise to do this, I would be
grateful because the TEI lexicon module creation cycle is a series of mysteries
to me.
Daniel
On 1/14/16 7:53 AM, DM Smith wrote:
Well, I’ve created a new Windows 7 VM and installed the KJV and also
AbbottSmith using The SWORD Project for Windows (BibleCS) Install Manager. I’m
not able to get the module to work in BibleCS.
As far as I can tell it loads but doesn’t work in Xiphos. I show Strong’s in the
KJV. Click on a number, any number and I get the same entry. As far as I can tell
it is the last entry. Once I get there, clicking the up and down arrows on the
dictionary will make the program crash. (I can deliberately, reliably repeat the
crash.) The dropdown list contains >, G1, G1, G1, …., which is wrong. If I
manually search for a number by prefixing it with a G, I’ll get the entry,
indicating it is linked.
I’m running the Windows version that I just downloaded from the xiphos.org
<http://xiphos.org> site.
In Him,
DM
On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Peter Von Kaehne <ref...@gmx.net
<mailto:ref...@gmx.net>> wrote:
I have just now installed it on Xiphos and set up as my strong dictionary for
NT. It works perfectly well as far as I can tell
Peter
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2016 um 20:16 Uhr
Von: "DM Smith" <dmsm...@crosswire.org <mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org>>
An: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" <sword-devel@crosswire.org
<mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org>>
Betreff: [sword-devel] AbbottSmith module question
The AbbottSmith module has excellent content. I’m having some problems getting
it to work in any SWORD or a JSword front-end (due to bugs in JSword).
I’m wondering how it is supposed to work in a SWORD front-end.
It is keyed to Strong’s numbers. Each Strong’s number begins with the letter G
and is followed by the number, but not padded. These are sorted as:
*blank key*
G1
G10
G100
G1000
G1001
….
G2
G20
G200
….
and so forth.
(The first two entries in the modules are bugs, probably in the module making
utility. But that is another issue.)
Each of these entries is linked to the entry for the corresponding Greek word.
These are fully accented words. In the index they are sorted according to their
upper case representation. They follow the entries beginning with G.
In my Windows VM, I’m not able to get the KJV to show up in either Xiphos or
The SWORD Project for Windows. (Others have reported this problem. And I’m not
interested in “going there.”) As such I can’t determine if I were to use
AbbottSmith as a Greek Strong’s Dictionary how it would or if it’d work.
In Him,
DM Smith
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