+1. Regardless of your view of deutetocanonical books, they can be useful for studying for all alike. It could be used for example for the context of the use of a particular word which will help define it better. On 31 Jan 2014 23:23, "DM Smith" <dmsm...@crosswire.org> wrote:
> I'll add that there are several views regarding the deuterocanonical > material: > Two are stated earlier in the thread: Part of the Bible and Not part of > the Bible. > I'd give a third: Useful for scholarship. > > Greg has stated well what the theological position of > > The core libraries SWORD and JSword both support av11n fully including > deuterocanonical material. > > Some frontends lag in av11n support. > > AndBible has full support for av11n. With in the defined av11n, the > developer of AndBible has deliberately supported the 66 books of the > protestant canon and deliberately left out deuterocanonical books. As > noted, by Peter it is a small change in the program to change the support. > > I'd suggest that AndBible have a flag to show/hide the material. > > When I go to a book store, I get to choose which Bibles I buy. I think the > same should be true w/ our Bible programs. > > In Him, > DM > > > On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Greg Hellings <greg.helli...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Matěj Cepl <mc...@redhat.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> As a reaction on complains of some Czech Catholics that And Bible >> doesn’t support reading of deuterocanonical books (and Czech Bible >> modules don’t contain them at all even for translations which have them, >> i.e. CzeCEP) I have started to look into it and found >> http://code.google.com/p/and-bible/wiki/AlternateVersification >> >> I am not sure whether the author of And Bible doesn’t mix together two >> things ... after all the current And Bible does support av11n, doesn’t >> it? >> > > Don't let av11n - support for which is purely a technical feat - conflate > with the theological position of the AndBible author expressed in that wiki > page. He's not saying his application supports or doesn't support non-KJV > versification. He's only saying he refuses to display text that he has > claimed is "uninspired". Specifically he is referring to the apocrypha. > It's entirely possible for him to support NRSV, Masoretic Text, etc > versifications and still hide certain books. For instance I would easily > write an application that uses the Sword library and could display the > current KJV without displaying any of the Old Testament if I held the > opinion that such text was irrelevant or uninspired (I do not). > > I believe And Bible uses JSword, which had lagging av11n support for a > long time. I don't recall any longer if it has added support for that > already or not. You'd need to check either with the AndBible developer or > try to load a text that uses a non-KJV system and see if it is supported to > find out if AndBible support the av11n technology. > > >> >> What is the “official” (or as official as possible) position of the >> Sword project on deuterocanonical books / apocrypha? Do other front-ends >> support them? Do we have some Catholic Bibles which would contain them? >> How much this depends on the module themselves ... i.e., could it be >> possible just by using some other versification create fully Catholic >> Bible, i.e., with deuterocanonical texts meshed into the canonical text? >> > > CrossWire and Sword have tried to stay as theologically neutral as we > could without compromising a core Christian theology. On our website you'll > see we even support two modules whose veracity and scholarship are widely > panned: http://crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModDisp.jsp?modType=Cults. By > adding support for av11n CrossWire has made a commitment to not exclude the > theological positions of the Catholic and Orthodox churches who do feel the > apocryphal books are inspired. I'm unaware of any desire for additional > deuterocanonical works or even more expansive canons presently, though this > is likely due only to a lack of material (although ones like the Ethiopian > canon have been brought up in discussions regarding av11n, I'm unaware of > any Sword versifications or modules that include such works at this time). > Chris Little only adds versifications to Sword when material is made > available that requires one, and does not do so preemptively under the > pretense of, "It might be useful some day." > > My understanding is that CrossWire desires to take an inclusive approach > to groups whose theological positions might differ. That AndBible has > chosen to snub and insult the majority of Christians by calling these texts > "uninspired" is sad. However, inclusion of apocryphal material in an > appendix rather than in its location within the Catholic or Orthodox canon > is not unprecedented. The first two Bibles I ever held that included such > material included it as an appendix to the Old Testament before the text of > the New. These, however, were decidedly Protestant editions of the text and > this reflected the theological position of the editors. I hope that > AndBible will support the more inclusive canons in the future without > pejorative language such as is found on that page. > > --Greg > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >
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