On 1/4/2013 10:12 PM, Andrew Thule wrote:
Peter, please temper your judgement with mercy. Your claims here are
neither correct nor fair.
So, Andrew, the fundamental problem here is that you seem to believe you
are never wrong and that any disagreement is always the result of the
other party being wrong. You believe you interpret the world correctly
and that every other perspective is a demonstration of others' mistaken
perceptions.
My perspective is that you are not a rational actor. You only really
seem to care about what you want and what you deem important, but you
aren't particularly concerned about anything beyond the immediate term.
As a result, your actions are unpredictable and frequently destructive.
Whatever short-term gain you may achieve is undermined by the fact that
you can't be trusted not to act at cross-purposes to CrossWire and a
fair number of us perceive you as completely irrational. As a result, we
can't realistically work with you.
On Friday, January 4, 2013, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
On Fri, 2013-01-04 at 16:49 -0500, Andrew Thule wrote:
It is clear. Your lack of respect for what is expressed in the conf file
re Distribution license is your problem and not a problem of lack of
clarity on our side. It is up to you to read and act upon (or rather
refrain from acting) instead of us spoon feeding you (or you to demand
such spoon feeding.
The belief that Crosswire's license to distribute the ISV text was based
upon what was contained within the isv.conf. It was not unreasonable for
me to conclude therefore that additional contributions to the module
would fall under the same terms. Clearly when Nic asked about updating
the module, he apparently believed the same as I - specifically
mentioning the OT.
Perhaps, but lack of clarity on licensing constaint isn't doing this
project, or its volunteers any good. The actual language of the license
doesn't need to be modified for the wiki to be expanded.
I've already answered this, yet still, you stand my accuser, providing
no answer to my defence. Please don't make it seem like my offer to
help was a lack of respect, or unreasonable. That is simply
a perversion of truth.
To reiterate, the license text in the .conf, which you have admitted to
reading, states:
Copyrighted; Permission to distribute granted to CrossWire
We've discussed the meaning of this with you before and that you are
forbidden from distributing such content. You've acknowledged this
before, yet you irrationally posted the ISV anyway.
How does "Permission to distribute granted to CrossWire" need
explanation? Along with "Copyrighted", that clearly identifies that you
may not distribute, but CrossWire may.
The licenses we have vary wildly. While we have endeavoured to put
standard descriptive sentences on modules, this has not happened
universally and many modules have individually written copyright
statements. FWIW, this will also make script driven partial mirroring
impossible or at least rather difficult.
Well, that's patently false. As long as the .conf files accurately
reflect their licenses appropriately, and those licenses
remain honoured, it is a trivial thing to demonstrate accurate mirror
synchronization (I can demonstrate this now)
But you DON'T honor licenses in our modules. You ignored the license in
isv.conf.
I thought the goal was to digitally propagate the Word of God as much as
possible while still meeting a moral and legal obligation to safeguard
copyright? Subtle hints of oligarchy manifesting itself as enthusiastic
polemics against those offering help makes it seem otherwise; almost as
though the goal here to stock-pile a pseudo-public repertoire of heavily
licensed texts in the name of CrossWire.org, alone for the benefit of
select few.
The dominion of trust, more than technology, is the impediment here.
Ultimately, it comes down to the project's true purposes.
One of our goals is to, as you put it, "digitally propagate the Word of
God as much as possible while still meeting a moral and legal obligation
to safeguard copyright". Your behavior presents a potential threat to
that mission, however. You're willing to violate copyrights, which makes
your presence a threat to CrossWire. You believe you simply know better
and are willing to do as you please, even if it means you're violating
our wishes for our materials and copyright holders' wishes for theirs.
We are a community, and we value the assistance of volunteers. However,
we do not appreciate actions such as yours, which defame CrossWire and
threaten our ability to work with copyright holders. We want people who
are willing to work with us, not against us, and sometimes that means
volunteers don't get to do whatever they want.
Does that mean CrossWire's leadership is going to dictate what
volunteers must do? No. But it does mean we're going to dictate what
volunteers must NOT do, if they wish to be part of the community. Your
reckless, often illegal activities clearly mark you as someone who
cannot work as part of this community.
--Chris
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