Am 01.09.2010 um 17:00 schrieb Martin Denham:

> Bishop is real fast but I don't know if that is all due to C++ code or if it 
> is not doing as much html processing/formatting as and-bible.  I thought 
> about switching to the C++ libs but there are various h/w restrictions if you 
> use the ndk and also it is a long time since I use C++ and I just can't 
> understand the Sword C++ code anymore and it seems from Troy's e-mails that 
> the packaged ndk lib would need a fair bit more work.  Jsword also needs some 
> optimisations and tweaks but I am more confident with Java.  

Can the html rendering in JSword be simplified?

> Maybe the git idea is a good one and can be put on the list.  What do others 
> think?  I chose svn because I thought most developers would be familiar with 
> it and it has great eclipse integration.  Personally I have to use PVCS and 
> Clearcase at work so even svn provided challenges for me.  Nic recently 
> transferred PocketSword to Mercurial and seemed very happy.  However, as 
> everybody keeps commenting there is a whole load of functionality in 
> and-bible that is missing and that needs improvement so maybe I should keep 
> my head down and not be distracted.

I'm using a mixture of Bazaar and Subversion.
I think that DVCSs do not make sense everywhere. Both, a DVCS and a VCS need 
maintenance. With a DVCS you might get a lot of branches where if no one cares 
you suddenly have a lot of mess. This is exactly the opposite with a VCS that 
is very strict with giving people write access where you need people to review 
and apply patches. If those people don't exist the sources will not change. 
However I still think that it absolute makes sense to have a shared repository 
with some people that are responsible for maintenance and patch review/apply. 
If this works well I believe it will not hinder anyone from commitment.


Manfred

>  
> On 31 August 2010 19:11, Bill Burton <bbur...@mail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On a related note, could this project be hosted on http://github.com?  It 
> would provide much better ability to collaborate since anyone can fork, make 
> changes and then push them back for optional inclusion.  The built-in wiki 
> would make it easy to publish any appropriate docs.
> 
> For an example of why this would be helpful, I have some libsword swig 
> bindings for Ruby that never got committed because no one who was a commiter 
> had the time or inclination to step up and look at them.  If I could have 
> forked the swig bindings, and checked in my changes, then whether or not they 
> became incorporated in the official version, they would be readily available 
> for anyone to find, evaluate and/or fix.
> 
> Just my $0.02.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Bill
> 
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Kenneth Arnold <kcarn...@alum.mit.edu> 
> wrote:
> Hi Martin and Troy,
> 
> I finally got the AndBible source built; I needed to get the jsword source 
> and also raise the memory limit for Eclipse--it thrashed and eventually 
> crashed in the linker/dex step. There's still a dex warning that floods the 
> Console, but it works on my Droid X. I made a few minor modifications to 
> ensure I could, but nothing serious yet.
> 
> Major things I'd like to work on as a user are navigation, continuous 
> scrolling, and verse number sync. Also, do you think we should replace the 
> backend with native libsword? That might help formatting and speed, but I 
> don't know how deeply it's woven into the code. The Bishop code could be a 
> useful example if we decide to go that way.
> 
> Should we continue discussion on this list?
> 
> -Ken (mobile)
> 
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2010 1:39 AM, "Troy A. Griffitts" <scr...@crosswire.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Ken,
>> 
>> Thank you for the debug.  I also have had trouble with the installer and
>> haven't had time to look into it.
>> 
>> The history is that I build Bishop as a sort of proof of concept for the
>> java-jni bindings for Android.  I mostly work in the engine code.  The
>> jni binding code I kept in SWORD SVN and the Bishop code I just backed
>> up occasionally to our server.  Last year my drive crashed and I lost
>> some work but might have pieced it all back together.  Here is an email
>> I sent to Gary with links to all my stuff.
>> 
>> ______________________
>> 
>> After last year when I started the work I had a harddrive die on my
>> laptop.  I had been backing up the work regularly, but lost about 2
>> weeks of work in the crash.  I used a recovery tool to salvage many of
>> the files from the bishop project and think I may have close to what is
>> in the apk.  Here are my resources if you want to try to piece things
>> together:
>> 
>> Lastest binary when I stopped, dated 11-18-2009:
>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop.apk
>> 
>> Latest backup of source, dated 10-31-2009:
>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop-20091031.tar.gz
>> 
>> Latest binary after reconstructing source and I think some small new
>> work (I think this is built with debug symbols in the native library so
>> it's a little bigger):
>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop2.apk
>> 
>> Current backup of source which built the above:
>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop-20100804.tar.gz
>> 
>> Please excuse my ignorance of Android programming.  I am fumbling
>> through it all.
>> 
>> I remember having trouble with the InstallMgr.  It sometimes connects
>> and downloads and other times it does not.  I thought it might be the
>> limited memory on my G1 or some trouble with the timing of the FTP code
>> in the native library.  I've found serious bugs in Android's system
>> calls, (e.g. memccpy) and reported it to them, but they still haven't
>> fixed it.  I use my own version in the ftp lib to avoid the bug.  That
>> is where I stopped-- thinking I needed to debug this ftp intermittent
>> issue.  I didn't compare how well the older .apk works versus the newer
>> .apk.  Maybe the older version worked better?  Or maybe a newer version
>> of Android or new phone works better?
>> 
>> Let me know what you find.
>> 
>> Troy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/24/2010 09:01 PM, Kenneth Arnold wrote:
>> > I just got an Android phone, and after seeing the...
>> 
>> 
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