Brian, Wes, Yiguang Would you like to start on the following tickets:
Yiguang, would you like to look at http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-54 [hoping you manage to get passed the OOM - let me have a trace] Wes, would you like to take on http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-51 Brian, since you said you hadn't done much Java stuff before, it might be worth looking at the Bookmark pane and see how that goes: http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-53 Just wondering too, if Wes or Brian have had a chance to try and set up a working local copy of STEP. As a side note, I'd like to aim for a test coverage of 80% if we can, and if we find that's too hard in the UI side of stuff, then maybe something like 70% might be a reasonable first target. Let's see how it goes. Also, are you all three on the sword-devel mailing list? just wondering if i need to post to sword-devel and jsword-devel Chris On 22 April 2010 19:51, Chris Burrell <ch...@burrell.me.uk> wrote: > Hi Brian > > See my email below. There's plenty to do. If you focus on some of the main > UI design stuff. I think initially we probably mainly want to discuss how it > looks! > > GWT makes UIs particularly easy to code in Java, so that's possibly a good > place to start. If we were to break out the UIs into parts we need to think > about: > > Display of the Bible: how to go from one view to another > Disabling/Enabling Bible display features: for example enabling a > interlinear which changes the way the Bible is displayed > Disabling/enabling viewing the timeline module and later on maps, > genealogies, etc. > General navigation, how you go from one passage to another, and then how > you go from timeline content to maps, and back to the passage, etc. > > I'm sure there's plenty of UI to divide between us all. It's just a > question of defining it first. Some of the UI navigation might be quite > simple Java to start with so maybe that's a good place to start? > > Chris > > > On 22 April 2010 19:37, Chris Burrell <ch...@burrell.me.uk> wrote: > >> Great news! >> >> Would you like to checkout the code, try and build it and then pick a JIRA >> issue from http://crosswire.org/bugs and go for it. There's a wiki page >> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep_Build_Environment which >> should hopefully help. >> >> There are some basic user interface tasks in there (both defining, >> designing and implementing the core functionality). In that respect, the >> main thing to bear in mind is that we will have a lot of content related to >> a Bible passage and therefore we want clever and discrete ways of notifying >> the user "This passage has some timeline data" or "This passage has lots of >> articles, some google maps locations and some timeline elements"... I think >> the screenshot here: http://code.google.com/p/xulsword/ looks pretty >> good, and we good build on some of those principles maybe. >> >> The UI is mostly undefined at the moment, so good progress on that would >> help every other feature coming up, if we can integrate that easily. The >> main idea is to have at least two passages in parallel as a starter >> (configurable later perhaps). >> >> Secondly, on the more content-side, we need to get the interlinears >> finished off. A lot of the code for reverse interlinear is there on the >> server side, but we also need to make sure it displays correctly on the user >> interface and give options to the user to choose (normal mode, interlinear, >> reverse interlinear). >> >> If you're not familiar with the idea of an interlinear (which was the case >> for me a few months ago), basically we have: >> *classic interlinear*: main passage is the Greek or Hebrew, and then we >> put the English or French or ... underneath using the strong numbers and if >> possible morphology details as well. >> * >> * >> *reverse interlinear: * the reverse, starting from the translated >> language (English, etc..) you then put the Greek or Hebrew underneath >> >> There's probably more stuff. Definitely have a look in JIRA and tell me if >> you see some basic things missing out of version 0.1! >> Chris >> >> >> >> On 22 April 2010 03:14, Wes Widner <w...@werxltd.com> wrote: >> >>> I'd love to help as well. I know Java/GWT.. >>> >>> -Wes >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Yiguang Hu <yi...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I would like to see what I can help. I know java/groovy/grails and GWT. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* "sword-devel-requ...@crosswire.org" < >>>> sword-devel-requ...@crosswire.org> >>>> *To:* sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> *Sent:* Wed, April 21, 2010 7:11:32 PM >>>> *Subject:* sword-devel Digest, Vol 73, Issue 45 >>>> >>>> Send sword-devel mailing list submissions to >>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> sword-devel-requ...@crosswire.org >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> sword-devel-ow...@crosswire.org >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of sword-devel digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. New data, new CrossWire project, HELP WANTED (Chris Burrell) >>>> 2. Re: New data, new CrossWire project, HELP WANTED (Chris Burrell) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:07:06 +0100 >>>> From: Chris Burrell <ch...@burrell.me.uk> >>>> To: J-Sword Developers Mailing List <jsword-de...@crosswire.org>, >>>> "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" <sword-devel@crosswire.org> >>>> Cc: "tyndalestep.prog" <tyndalestep.p...@blogger.com> >>>> Subject: [sword-devel] New data, new CrossWire project, HELP WANTED >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <q2i8c0aba2c1004211207v54e868acn27cd0e2719538...@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>>> >>>> *What is Tyndale STEP?* >>>> Tyndale STEP is an offline and online Java web application which aims to >>>> make ancient texts and maps as well as timeline data, genealogies, ... >>>> accessible to everyone, scholar and non-scholar alike, so that the Bible >>>> is >>>> illuminated by its full ancient context. [see roadmap below]. Tyndale >>>> House >>>> will also distribute the online version to pastors in the third world, >>>> who >>>> often can?t afford commercial Bible software. >>>> >>>> A wiki page has been set up here: >>>> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep which has a lot more >>>> information! >>>> >>>> *Who are we looking for?* >>>> We need lots of help! >>>> ? *Java developers*: this code base is mainly in Java so we can do with >>>> all >>>> the help we can get! >>>> ? *User Interface designers*: there is currently a sketch of the user >>>> interface, created more to prove a point. We need proper guidance to >>>> make >>>> the software as user friendly and rich as possible >>>> ? *Data harvesters*: Tyndale House could do with a few extra pairs of >>>> hands >>>> to helpcollate the data and make it available to the wider CrossWire >>>> community >>>> >>>> *How do I start?* >>>> ? Get in touch! >>>> ? Read through the wiki page: >>>> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep >>>> ? Build the code from: >>>> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep_Build_Environment >>>> ? Check out our feature/bug repository: >>>> http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP >>>> ? Have a look at the proof of concept sketches at >>>> http://crosswire.org:8080/~chrisburrell/ (including timelines and >>>> interlinears on strong-tagged Bibles) >>>> ? Peruse the blogs mentioned on the wiki to get a feel for the data and >>>> programming >>>> >>>> As you can see, there?s plenty to do! >>>> >>>> *What does the roadmap look like?* >>>> >>>> *1st phase: build a multi-platform structure for standard Bible-study >>>> tools: >>>> * >>>> ? Bible texts, including original languages, translations and >>>> interlinears >>>> ? Language aids, including lookup-dictionaries concordance searches >>>> ? History tools, including an expandable timeline with scripture links >>>> ? Dictionary articles, culled from various sources and edited >>>> * >>>> * >>>> *2nd phase: add detailed geographic, historic & linguistic data* >>>> ? Gazetteer of all named places, with short articles and links to >>>> pictures >>>> ? Co-ordinates of identifiable places to GoogleEarth >>>> ? Map overlays of high-ref 1:20,000 maps of pre-urbanised Palestine >>>> ? Flexible timelines which can be altered at key points of uncertainty >>>> ? Full-text lexicons linked to the lookup dictionaries in tagged texts >>>> >>>> *3rd phase: add translation aids and links to modern publications* >>>> ? different possible translations for words and passages >>>> ? differences in manuscripts, with evidence for each variant >>>> ? expositions in modern and older commentaries, articles and books >>>> >>>> *4th phase: adds link to extra-biblical literature with searching:* >>>> ? search other ancient literature for similar passages in a similar >>>> context >>>> ? look up Greek and Hebrew words in other ancient literature >>>> ? view ancient texts with translations where possible >>>> >>>> These tools will put centuries of research into the hands of >>>> non-scholars. >>>> When the information is laid open like this, it is easy to see that the >>>> Bible is well preserved and translated, reflecting historical events in >>>> real >>>> places, and dealing with issues current in the ancient and modern work >>>> alike. >>>> >>>> If you have any more questions or want to get involved, please do let me >>>> know! >>>> Chris >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: < >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/attachments/20100421/146258ee/attachment-0001.html >>>> > >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:07:07 +0100 >>>> From: Chris Burrell <ch...@burrell.me.uk> >>>> To: Daniel Owens <dhow...@pmbx.net> >>>> Cc: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel@crosswire.org>, >>>> TExT <edit...@textonline.org>, J-Sword Developers Mailing List >>>> <jsword-de...@crosswire.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New data, new CrossWire project, HELP >>>> WANTED >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <j2w8c0aba2c1004211607sfe7f6d5fm24b94be1ff919...@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>>> >>>> Hi Daniel >>>> >>>> I'm copying David IB from Tyndale House who is part of Tyndale House and >>>> leading the data side of the project. >>>> >>>> A couple of emails have circulated on this previously on our blogs, >>>> which >>>> I've tried to capture (in part) on >>>> http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-44 >>>> http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-45 >>>> >>>> I'm sure David IB will have more to input on this... I've copied his >>>> original email below >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> ========================================== >>>> THis is the best lookup lexicon to use for Hebrew interlinear - it is >>>> tagged >>>> to Strongs, includes the pointed Hebrew and has an abbreviated BDB >>>> entry. >>>> And the version downloadable from http://github.com/openscriptures has >>>> even >>>> more corrections than mine. For all I know, it might finally be letter >>>> perfect! THis version is also packaged in nice XML which can easily be >>>> converted to any other DB format. >>>> >>>> The equivalent lexicon at Crosswire for Greek is, I think, in a much >>>> better >>>> state, and didn't need all the work the Hebrew did. >>>> >>>> The version of the tagged OT text at http://github.com/openscripturesis >>>> also in very good condition (prob better than the one at Crosswire). It >>>> appears to only contain PD data - ie it doesn't include the more >>>> complete >>>> morphology data which is copyrighted. >>>> >>>> David IB >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 21 April 2010 23:22, Daniel Owens <dhow...@pmbx.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Chris, >>>> > >>>> > I am not qualified to contribute code (though I lurk on sword-devel >>>> because >>>> > of my module-creating disposition), but I am involved in producing >>>> content >>>> > for the very purpose you mention. By the way, if you are at Tyndale >>>> House >>>> > now, you may know Daniel Block. He is my PhD mentor at Wheaton >>>> College. >>>> > >>>> > There are two content areas with which I am involved and would be >>>> happy to >>>> > collaborate on. One is Greek and Hebrew lexica. Currently at >>>> > www.textonline.org we are involved in collaboratively producing a >>>> modern >>>> > replacement for Strongs. We're starting with a Strongs base but hope >>>> to >>>> > provide a basic and up-to-date modern equivalent to Holladay for >>>> Hebrew or >>>> > Newman for Greek, except that they will be released under a creative >>>> commons >>>> > license. The challenge is finding people to contribute quality entries >>>> with >>>> > little or no possibility of accolades in the guild of biblical studies >>>> (and >>>> > certainly no money!). The other project is a collaboratively produced >>>> > morphologically tagged Hebrew text (see www.OpenScriptures.org). For >>>> that >>>> > we are looking at Django and Pinax as the applications for >>>> collaborating on >>>> > putting together the data. For me, the purpose of this is to fill a >>>> void of >>>> > content for SWORD in order to serve the global church. >>>> > >>>> > I notice that full-text lexicons are part of the second phase of your >>>> plan. >>>> > Is there any way we can begin to collaborate on that? I am open to >>>> your >>>> > suggestions. >>>> > >>>> > Daniel >>>> > >>>> > On 4/21/2010 2:07 PM, Chris Burrell wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> *What is Tyndale STEP?* >>>> >> >>>> >> Tyndale STEP is an offline and online Java web application which aims >>>> to >>>> >> make ancient texts and maps as well as timeline data, genealogies, >>>> ... >>>> >> accessible to everyone, scholar and non-scholar alike, so that the >>>> Bible is >>>> >> illuminated by its full ancient context. [see roadmap below]. Tyndale >>>> House >>>> >> will also distribute the online version to pastors in the third >>>> world, who >>>> >> often can?t afford commercial Bible software. >>>> >> >>>> >> A wiki page has been set up here: >>>> >> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep which has a lot more >>>> >> information! >>>> >> >>>> >> *Who are we looking for?* >>>> >> We need lots of help! >>>> >> ? *Java developers*: this code base is mainly in Java so we can do >>>> with >>>> >> all the help we can get! >>>> >> ? *User Interface designers*: there is currently a sketch of the user >>>> >> interface, created more to prove a point. We need proper guidance to >>>> make >>>> >> the software as user friendly and rich as possible >>>> >> ? *Data harvesters*: Tyndale House could do with a few extra pairs of >>>> >> hands to helpcollate the data and make it available to the wider >>>> CrossWire >>>> >> community >>>> >> >>>> >> *How do I start?* >>>> >> ? Get in touch! >>>> >> ? Read through the wiki page: >>>> >> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep >>>> >> ? Build the code from: >>>> >> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep_Build_Environment >>>> >> ? Check out our feature/bug repository: >>>> >> http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP >>>> >> ? Have a look at the proof of concept sketches at >>>> >> http://crosswire.org:8080/~chrisburrell/ < >>>> >> http://crosswire.org:8080/%7Echrisburrell/> (including timelines and >>>> >> interlinears on strong-tagged Bibles) >>>> >> >>>> >> ? Peruse the blogs mentioned on the wiki to get a feel for the data >>>> and >>>> >> programming >>>> >> >>>> >> As you can see, there?s plenty to do! >>>> >> >>>> >> *What does the roadmap look like?* >>>> >> >>>> >> */1st phase: build a multi-platform structure for standard >>>> Bible-study >>>> >> tools:/* >>>> >> ? Bible texts, including original languages, translations and >>>> interlinears >>>> >> ? Language aids, including lookup-dictionaries concordance searches >>>> >> ? History tools, including an expandable timeline with scripture >>>> links >>>> >> ? Dictionary articles, culled from various sources and edited >>>> >> */ >>>> >> /* >>>> >> */2nd phase: add detailed geographic, historic & linguistic data/* >>>> >> ? Gazetteer of all named places, with short articles and links to >>>> pictures >>>> >> ? Co-ordinates of identifiable places to GoogleEarth >>>> >> ? Map overlays of high-ref 1:20,000 maps of pre-urbanised Palestine >>>> >> ? Flexible timelines which can be altered at key points of >>>> uncertainty >>>> >> ? Full-text lexicons linked to the lookup dictionaries in tagged >>>> texts >>>> >> >>>> >> */3rd phase: add translation aids and links to modern publications/* >>>> >> ? different possible translations for words and passages >>>> >> ? differences in manuscripts, with evidence for each variant >>>> >> ? expositions in modern and older commentaries, articles and books >>>> >> >>>> >> */4th phase: adds link to extra-biblical literature with searching:/* >>>> >> ? search other ancient literature for similar passages in a similar >>>> >> context >>>> >> ? look up Greek and Hebrew words in other ancient literature >>>> >> ? view ancient texts with translations where possible >>>> >> >>>> >> These tools will put centuries of research into the hands of >>>> non-scholars. >>>> >> When the information is laid open like this, it is easy to see that >>>> the >>>> >> Bible is well preserved and translated, reflecting historical events >>>> in real >>>> >> places, and dealing with issues current in the ancient and modern >>>> work >>>> >> alike. >>>> >> >>>> >> If you have any more questions or want to get involved, please do let >>>> me >>>> >> know! >>>> >> Chris >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: < >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/attachments/20100422/7e5b28e3/attachment.html >>>> > >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> >>>> End of sword-devel Digest, Vol 73, Issue 45 >>>> ******************************************* >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>> >> >> >
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