Hi There.
Am 24.04.2009 um 04:50 schrieb DM Smith:
Greg,
This is close, but I think a few changes are needed to satisify Mac
users:
1)The name should consistently be BibleTime, In the title bar it is
bibletime (all lower case). (This shoule be easily fixed.)
2) There should be an application icon. (This should be easily
fixed. However, Macs expect a collection of icons having 512x512
definition and will fill in smaller ones if not supplied. Also, will
scale smaller ones, with less than satisfying results.)
Yeah. Check out the tool "Icon Composer". It creates icons files to be
used for program icons.
3) It does not find any of the modules that either MacSword or
BibleDesktop install. These both install to ~/Library/Application
Source/Sword. (This is a biggie!!!)
I could add the folder that MacSword and BibleDesktop use and it found
all the modules but it would be nice to have this right away and to
share the that folder by the three applications then.
4) IMHO, the layout does not at all look like a Mac application. It
should have a Mac look and feel. Especially since the download is
38M. That is pretty big for a the Bible programs available on the
Mac. Some of it has a Mac look and feel (e.g. tabs) but much of it
doesn't (the same can probably be said of BibleDesktop). (Acceptance
by Mac users will determine whether this is a big deal.)
Yeah. The install size is a bit over 100 meg. That's quite huge. But
it needs a lot of libraries so I guess it is ok after all.
I've also noticed the bible views are actually windows and they are
not arranged.
5) There shouldn't be both a Preferences menu selection and a
Settings menu. The Settings menu should go away. The Mac user won't
expect that.
6) Sword should be SWORD. This is not a Mac Issue. I forget where I
saw this, but I think it was on a tab.
Ohh. I didn't know this myself.
I did not look into the app to see what worked and what did not. I'm
not familiar with BT and at first glance it was not obvious how to
use it. I couldn't figure out how to select a passage from an
installed Bible. If it were obvious/intuitive, I would have poked
around a bit. I think a Mac user expects that the application will
help them in the most simplest manner to install a Bible and to use
it. Simplicity of first use is a rule on the Mac. Depth is generally
hidden for those that want it and dig for it.
(BTW, I'm a long time linux/solaris/unix user and windows user. Only
recently have I been doing Mac development (3 years). So while I
have been direct, don't take it hard. I wish you all the best!!!
Manfred, please feel free to contradict me on my evaluation of Mac
user expectations!)
Guess I don't need to contradict you. :)
Manfred
In Him and blessings on your effort,
DM
On Apr 23, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Greg Hellings wrote:
DM,
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:59 PM, DM Smith <[email protected]>
wrote:
I've attached a png showing how it appears. I'm not a user of BT,
so I can
only guess that some icons are not showing up:
That's exactly what I would suspect it looks like. I've located the
necessary Qt plugins (for those interested, on OS X I had to move the
imageformats/ and iconengines/ directories into the plugins/ package
with BibleTime.app/Contents) and I tested them as well as I can on my
development machine. You can find another copy of the disk image up
at the previous location. Thanks for persevering through with me! =)
--Greg
-- DM
On Apr 23, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Greg Hellings wrote:
I've now uploaded a version that doesn't require DBus. Oddly -
when I
move my /opt directory (where my development headers, libraries,
etc
are) out of its original location for testing, the SVG icons don't
display. But when /opt is in place, they do. So odds are you
won't
be able to see icons if the program runs for you, but hopefully
this
time it will run.
This problem seems related to the same issue we have seen on
Windows
XP - it seems there's a helper library somewhere that's optional
that
isn't being included by my distributions that I need to track
down to
get icons working.
--Greg
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Greg Hellings <[email protected]
>
wrote:
DM,
Thanks - obviously the crash is somewhere in DBus. I'm not
certain
what DBus is, but I know what it isn't: native to Macs. BibleTime
doesn't seem to need it at all, since we don't have it on
Windows and
we can get along without it. I'll ask the BT team if possibly
we can
remove the dependency on the Mac side as well.
--Greg
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:05 PM, DM Smith
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Greg Hellings wrote:
I've rebuilt the BibleTime for Mac distribution. It should be
up on
http://www.crosswire.org/~ghellings/bibletime/BibleTime_Mac_Beta.dmg
This time it's a standard Drag 'n' Drop installer, and all the
files
required *should* be included in the Application Bundle. If
you're on
a PPC Mac, I don't think that it will run there, seeing as I
believe
both the executable and all the libraries are Intel-only
builds. I
can certainly produce a PPC/Intel build later on, once we're
happy
that it works well.
I'll post more of the specifics on bt-devel only as per the
changes I
had to make to the build system to get this up and running.
For now,
let me know if there are further problems with downloading,
installation or operation.
It is a bit nicer.
The drag and drop worked as expected.
It starts up just fine, but it crashes with:
Process: bibletime [78973]
Path:
/Applications/BibleTime.app/Contents/Resources/bin/bibletime
Identifier: bibletime
Version: ??? (???)
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [151]
Date/Time: 2009-04-23 19:03:21.811 -0400
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.6 (9G55)
Report Version: 6
Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000
Crashed Thread: 0
Thread 0 Crashed:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x936bbe42 __kill + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9372e23a raise + 26
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9373a679 abort + 73
3 libdbus-1.3.dylib 0x036365ce _dbus_abort
+ 46
4 libdbus-1.3.dylib 0x036323c6
_dbus_warn_check_failed +
134
5 libdbus-1.3.dylib 0x03632a35
_dbus_get_local_machine_uuid_encoded + 181
6 libdbus-1.3.dylib 0x03639bdb
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