Peter von Kaehne wrote:
With regard to browser inconsistencies I am trying to keep the two
stylesheets in sync, but if I missed something, please tell me.

I also do think there should be ways of making it work with a single
sheet, making IE fail gracefully rather than badly. Any suggestions are
welcome. I presume the key will be around exploiting a non implemented
child/relation pseudo class type CSS thing which will work everywhere
but for IE6

The CSS non-application issues I've seen (which result in the unordered list being displayed as a bulleted, unordered list instead of a menu bar) have been on FF3 & Safari, on different systems, at different times. If there are bugs on those browsers, then there's code that should not have been rolled out to the public site yet.

I have chosen a different coloring to highlight the fact that you moved
to a sub section with a different navigation. I am happy to use any
other color there apart from the original, which is taken.

Your desire to color pages differently should be subsidiary to the basic issue of usability and legibility. If you couldn't come up with a good color other than red, you should not have changed it. Again, purple is not good on those live sites.

3) I still believe the "Read the Bible" link should be in the menu bar,
highlighted by virtue of being offset far on the right.
Off site links should not be in the top menu.
According to whom?

Navigation menus are by general convention intrasite menus. Please show
me a well designed site which does do this differently.

Here are some quick examples from 2 minutes of browsing:
www.ebay.com (Their menu links at top-right go all over the place.)
freshmeat.net (Last, "scoop" link goes offsite.)
www.logos.com (Last, "view/checkout" link, with appropriate highlighting, goes to a site with significantly different design.) www.google.com (not a great example, but the final, dropdown menu item includes a link to YouTube) eff.org (The donate to EFF link is raised and offset, similar to how we had the Bible link.)
gnu.org (Highlighted "Join the FSF" link goes offsite)
fsf.org ("Shop" link goes offsite)

The gnu.org link is almost identical to what I've proposed: Bible link far to the right with additional highlighting.

(I'm still waiting for that list of sites where wrapping menu bars can be found, but I'll point one out of the above that does it: freshmeat.net. But they've probably got the worst design of the lot.)

They should at least anticipate that something is not
standard about the link.

I wasn't surprised by any of these, but I do think additional highlighting will clarify the specialness of the link.

Should we then also remove The SWORD Project from the menu?

No, but we should make it abundantly clear that the SWORD Project is
part of the same site - by using the same basic design, but a different
colouring (or something else distiguishable - e.g the logo). I have
tried to achieve this by the proposed redesign of the SWORD site. You
have rubbished it, which is fine, but then you need to think through the
consequences of this. I have a solution which I think is valid.

We can also add more highlighting to the Sword link, but I really think our users are more intelligent than you give them credit for being. I think they'll be able to figure out where they are no matter whether the visual designs match.

--Chris

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