DM,
I'm sorry to take so long in responding--I've just been really busy with
school. I'll take up the issues with <divineName> on the OSIS list.
In general, it will probably be beneficial for you to understand how the
process of OSIS meetings and example markup writing works. We have had
meetings to discuss OSIS every 6 months to 1 year since the initial
conference where it was decreed that OSIS would be developed. In between
the meetings (sometimes at nights during the meetings even) people work
on text markup, generally for some project they have or for an agency
that is paying them to OSISize their text.
I think everyone kind of has their own style of OSIS encoding. Some
people like to be minimalist (I would say I'm in that camp). Others like
to be verbose. And then some people are just wrong and violate the
standard in various ways. Except for the last set, it's all still valid
OSIS. It might not be best practice conformant OSIS if it doesn't
include certain minimal features, but that's sort of a tangent issue.
After people create the texts, they are frequently examined at the next
OSIS meeting--especially if they encountered problems or have
improvements to suggest based on experiences they had with markup. Then
those examples go on to live lives of their own once they get
incorporated into the manual--whether or not they were especially good
examples of clean and proper OSIS.
My suggestion would be to not stray too far from the section actually
discussing a particular tag when examining how that tag should be used.
Specifically, you should take the example of <divineName> usage from the
section specifically discussing it. The instance where it occurs with an
x-yhwh is in the <l> section of the poetry tagging discussion, and it
probably just wasn't noticed that this bit of non-standard markup was
included.
--Chris
DM Smith wrote:
Chris,
I really appreciate you input! I do have a few questions and some
thoughts I'd like you to respond to. See below.
DM
Chris Little wrote:
DM Smith wrote:
This beta corrects mistakes reported against the last beta. And also
does the following:
Divine Name:
All divine names are tagged with <divineName> (most were already).
If the underlying strong's number is 3050 (YH), 3068 or 3069 (YHWH),
I have added the type x-yhwh.
For those instances where the name is a compound with YHWH, the type
is x-yhwh and the subtype is a transliteration of the hebrew of the
compound part, e.g. x-tsidkenu.
There were also a few cases of JESUS in all caps. This is with the
type x-jesus.
When the divine name is in a <transChange> or a <note> I have tagged
it without a type.
I also wrapped 2 instances of BRANCH in all caps with divineName as
it appears that this is what the KJV was trying to communicate in
making it all caps.
In all of these instances I have changed the word to begin with a
capital letter and be followed with lower case. The intention is that
these should be rendered with small-caps.
Questions: Should these be left as all caps? Can the front-ends
render this?
<divineName> is currently only intended for translations of Yahweh
(Strong's numbers 3050, 3068, & 3069). We debated whether it should be
used for marking Jesus or other deities named in the Bible or other
works, but ultimately decided that we should limit it to exclusively
Yahweh. We discussed adding types but, ultimately, decided not to
since the only valid type this leaves was "yhwh" or "Yahweh".
If you think the situation should be otherwise, you should make the
case for a change on osis-user.
It's not that I think it should be otherwise. I was following the
guidance of the OSIS user's manual. I just checked the most recent one
which give the guidance
(And I quote):
13.4. divineName
The divineName element is used only for the Deity. Angels, demons,
idols, and the like should be tagged
with <name type='nonhuman'> For example:
<divineName>El Shaddai</divineName>
In this case El Shaddai is not YHWH. See
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/El/el.html for the Hebrew.
Given "El Shaddai" there a lot more that could be tagged (which I did not.)
Also, in another place in the manual it explicitly give an example with
a divineName having a type of x-yhwh. To me this implies that the tag is
to for more than just the yhwh.
I don't have a problem with limiting it to YHWH. (It is an easy change.)
But what about when it is given as the name of God in combination with
another word as in yhwh-tsidkenu, The LORD is our righteousness. (i.e.
strong's numbers 3070-3074)
As to Jesus, I only tagged the two occurrences where the KJV had it in
all caps. In context, these are being ascribed the name of the Deity.
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