>I don't understand the mindset that refuses to acknowledge the usefulness of >tools that have a user interface.
Sorry, I think I got a bit misinterpreted here. :-) I'm all for the creation of GUI tools -- we need them. Even the commandline gurus sometimes need them :-). I was just ranting about the fact that there is more that needs to be done to the tools than just give them a GUI, and that Fred's problems are probably not related to the fact that the tools he uses don't have a GUI. Greetings, Christian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.web42.com/crenz/ - http://www.web42.com/ "Reality, in fact, is always something you couldn't have guessed. That's one of the reasons I believe Christianity. It's a religion you couldn't have guessed." -- C.S. Lewis, The Case for Christianity