Hi Stephan,

> On Aug 2, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Stephan Tolksdorf <s...@quanttec.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Parker,
> 
> I noticed the IndexPath overhead when I investigated why a Swift 3 
> implementation of UICollectionViewLayout.layoutAttributesForElementsInRect 
> spent more time in malloc, free and related methods, but I don't have a 
> benchmark.
> 
> Is it important that IndexPath uses native Swift refcounting? It seems to me 
> that this type is mainly used in ObjC interop code. In native Swift code I 
> would always try to avoid using a dynamically sized, heap allocated array as 
> a data structure index. If NSIndexPath can't be bridged to a native Swift 
> type without introducing additional overhead, then maybe it shouldn't be 
> bridged at all?
> 
> - Stephan


I do think it is likely we could figure out some improvements here, but I’d 
like to start with a concrete test (and something that is representative of 
real world use cases). If it’s possible to extract something out of what you’ve 
already done, that would be really helpful. We can also file a bug on 
bugs.swift.org as a call for help designing a better perf test suite (we need 
this for all of the types, frankly).

Once we know we’re measuring the right thing, there are all kinds of 
interesting things we can do. If (when?) we have ABI stability in Swift 4, we 
may be able to also change the ObjC Foundation.framework to better cooperate 
with the Swift side, as we’ll be able to tie the current overlay code to a 
specific OS instead of having to run back several releases.

Thanks,
- Tony

> 
> On 2 August 2016 at 11:09, Tony Parker <anthony.par...@apple.com 
> <mailto:anthony.par...@apple.com>> wrote:
> Hi Stephan,
> 
> Do you have some benchmarks that you could share? That would help us focus 
> performance work in the right area.
> 
> I know that 2-item IndexPaths are super common with UIKit collection view and 
> friends, so we may just want to special case those. Unfortunately, 
> NSIndexPath is not abstract, so subclassing it in the same way that we do for 
> a few of the other bridged types (to use native Swift refcounting) is not 
> easy. On the other hand, the ObjC implementation does use tagged pointers, so 
> some NSIndexPaths are really cheap to create.
> 
> - Tony
> 
> > On Aug 1, 2016, at 11:44 PM, Stephan Tolksdorf via swift-corelibs-dev 
> > <swift-corelibs-dev@swift.org <mailto:swift-corelibs-dev@swift.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > IndexPath is currently implemented using an [Int] array that is bridged to 
> > an NSIndexPath only on demand. Since IndexPath values are primarily used 
> > together with Objective-C APIs, wouldn't it be better to implement 
> > IndexPath directly as an NSIndexPath wrapper, in order to avoid the 
> > overhead of temporary array instances?
> >
> > - Stephan
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