On Tue, 2020-09-22 at 15:50 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> I think it's a great leap sideways, but I've done cp /dev/null foo to
> clear
> it out for 35 years now... It's why it feels like a workaround.
>
> Though it is a legit optimization, no matter the feelings. As for
> clearer,
> I'm less sure since then I have to remember what the : operator does.
>
> Warner
>
For me, :> is idiomatic (but ugly).
On the other hand, the cp /dev/null had a nice dogfooding aspect to
it... when we broke cp by accident, its use in the build system was the
first alarm to go off.
--Ian
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 3:48 PM Alan Somers <asom...@freebsd.org>
> wrote:
>
> > It doesn't feel like a workaround to me. I think Kyle's version is
> > clearer than the original.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 3:45 PM Warner Losh <i...@bsdimp.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 3:42 PM Kyle Evans <kev...@freebsd.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > cp is already fixed, people are still feeling the fallout of
> > > > being
> > > > within those revisions and needing to bootstrap their own cp.
> > > > We can
> > > > reduce the number of components these invocations rely on
> > > > trivially to
> > > > shell built-in mechanics, why not do so?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Fair point. I just bristle at putting workarounds in for valid
> > > /bin/sh
> > > syntax because we opposed for a few days. so long as it's an
> > > unconditional
> > > clearing of the file to be zero length, I'm OK with that.
> > >
> > > Warner
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 4:40 PM Warner Losh <i...@bsdimp.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > So why do we need a workaround at all? cp /dev/null has been
> > > > > fixed,
> > > >
> > > > and that's way more important to get right.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't want to paper-over issues with this at all, though if
> > > > > we use
> > > >
> > > > the host's (now broken) cp, I suppose that might be OK in the
> > > > short term.
> > > > If that's the case, then maybe this is OK.
> > > > >
> > > > > Otherwise, I'd strongly prefer we fix cp.
> > > > >
> > > > > Warner
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 3:31 PM Alan Somers <
> > > > > asom...@freebsd.org>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 3:27 PM Kyle Evans <
> > > > > > kev...@freebsd.org>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm running a build at the suggestion of mjg to confirm
> > > > > > > there aren't
> > > > > > > any others hiding that can be converted, and I will
> > > > > > > commit after I've
> > > > > > > verified that this is it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 4:02 PM Alan Somers <
> > > > > > > asom...@freebsd.org>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > LGTM.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 2:59 PM Kyle Evans <
> > > > > > > > kev...@freebsd.org>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Perhaps:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > diff --git a/stand/i386/zfsboot/Makefile
> > > >
> > > > b/stand/i386/zfsboot/Makefile
> > > > > > > > > index ff315abc0ef..7e362b43a39 100644
> > > > > > > > > --- a/stand/i386/zfsboot/Makefile
> > > > > > > > > +++ b/stand/i386/zfsboot/Makefile
> > > > > > > > > @@ -81,7 +81,7 @@ zfsboot.ld: zfsboot.ldr zfsboot.bin
> > > > > > > > > ${BTXKERN}
> > > > > > > > > -o ${.TARGET} -P 1 zfsboot.bin
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > zfsboot.ldr:
> > > > > > > > > - cp /dev/null ${.TARGET}
> > > > > > > > > + :> ${.TARGET}
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > zfsboot.bin: zfsboot.out
> > > > > > > > > ${OBJCOPY} -S -O binary zfsboot.out
> > > > > > > > > ${.TARGET}
> > > > > > > > > diff --git a/stand/libsa/Makefile
> > > > > > > > > b/stand/libsa/Makefile
> > > > > > > > > index effece9e01b..63cd46a9c54 100644
> > > > > > > > > --- a/stand/libsa/Makefile
> > > > > > > > > +++ b/stand/libsa/Makefile
> > > > > > > > > @@ -122,7 +122,7 @@ beforedepend:
> > > > > > > > > ln -sf ${SRCTOP}/include/arpa/inet.h
> > > > > > > > > arpa/inet.h; \
> > > > > > > > > ln -sf ${SRCTOP}/include/arpa/t
> > > > > > > > > ftp.h arpa/tftp.h; \
> > > > > > > > > for i in _time.h _strings.h _string.h; do \
> > > > > > > > > - [ -f xlocale/$$i ] || cp /dev/null
> > > > > > > > > xlocale/$$i; \
> > > > > > > > > + [ -f xlocale/$$i ] || :> xlocale/$$i;
> > > > > > > > > \
> > > > > > > > > done; \
> > > > > > > > > for i in ${STAND_H_INC}; do \
> > > > > > > > > ln -sf ${SASRC}/stand.h $$i; \
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 3:58 PM Alan Somers <
> > > > > > > > > asom...@freebsd.org>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Looks like two places in stand. Is there any
> > > > > > > > > > reason why
> > > >
> > > > Mateusz's suggestion wouldn't work?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > rg -g Makefile 'cp.*/dev/null'
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > stand/libsa/Makefile
> > > > > > > > > > 125: [ -f xlocale/$$i ] || cp /dev/null
> > > > > > > > > > xlocale/$$i; \
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > stand/i386/zfsboot/Makefile
> > > > > > > > > > 82: cp /dev/null ${.TARGET}
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 2:54 PM Mateusz Guzik <
> > > >
> > > > mjgu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Can we instead add a workaround to the build
> > > > > > > > > > > tree?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Where is cp /dev/null coming from anyway? Perhaps
> > > > > > > > > > > this can be
> > > >
> > > > patched
> > > > > > > > > > > to touch the target file.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 9/22/20, Alan Somers <asom...@freebsd.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 2:48 PM Kyle Evans <
> > > >
> > > > kev...@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 3:49 PM Alan Somers <
> > > >
> > > > asom...@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Author: asomers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri Sep 11 20:49:36 2020
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Revision: 365643
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > URL:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/365643
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Log:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cp: fall back to read/write if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > copy_file_range fails
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even though copy_file_range has a file-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > system agnostic
> > > >
> > > > version, it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fails on devfs (perhaps because the file
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > descriptor is
> > > >
> > > > non-seekable?)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that case, fallback to old-fashioned
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > read/write. Fixes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "cp /dev/null /tmp/null"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any objection to adding a quick UPDATING
> > > > > > > > > > > > > entry for this?
> > > >
> > > > I'm seeing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > occasional reports of this breakage as recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > as today on
> > > >
> > > > IRC from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > folks that were a little bit thrown off by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this because it
> > > >
> > > > throws up
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly far into the build and looks like a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > stand build
> > > >
> > > > regression
> > > > > > > > > > > > > instead of a cp regression.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kyle Evans
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > No objection. Can you suggest the proper
> > > > > > > > > > > > wording?
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