David O'Brien wrote:
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 08:51:30AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote:
In message: <20090130015518.ga20...@hades.panopticon>
Dmitry Marakasov <amd...@amdmi3.ru> writes:
: * David E. O'Brien (obr...@freebsd.org) wrote:
: I think this should be backed out. Those verbose messages:
: - Are completely unexpected, this violates POLA.
: - Do break recognizeable make output people are used to
: - Really uglify make output for some custom makefiles (for example,
: generated by cmake:
..
: There's golden unix way rule: silence is golden. So please back this
: out, as this will really annoy many people.
This makes at least two requests... I hate them too. really really
really hate them. -Q is default in all my trees.
The real problem is that it exposes way too many internal target names
that are totally baffling, even to me who has a lot of build
experience. Also, it isn't clear how to use them.
O'Brien says they were disabled in 1994 for no good reason without
discussion, so he's turning them back on, without discussion. The
project is a very different place than it was then, and doing this
sort of thing is anti-social.
s/1994/14-Nov-1998/
100,000 of things change within FreeBSD without discission that
displeases some set of folks. That's nothing new, but I'm restoring
compatibility and functionailty, not removing it.
I found src/Makefile.inc1 r134903 / rev 1.444 very noisy, but lived with
it. I don't care that -s now implies -Q, except that it still leaves so
much "noise" like r134903 / rev 1.444 and other output.
[Why the log message is about 'Unanimous Consent' and not verbosity?]
I wonder what % build speed improvement quieting that behind 'make -s'
would give?
The point of his message is this is a community-based project and as
such consensus is important. I have seen zero support for your change,
only complaints. Change is change; you can't hide behind a claim you're
restoring 10-year old behaviour.
Sam
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