Alan, Thank you for that response. It seems that binaural is extremely complex. Unless the sounds are recorded with mics in your own ears, or you have a highly accurate individual hrtf, spending time with head tracking might be the best training for a new generic hrtf.
Can you say more about the nature of your planned binaural training? Best, Douglas > On May 1, 2023, at 1:59 AM, Alan Kan <alan....@mq.edu.au> wrote: > > Hi Douglas, > > There were a few studies that looked at using training to improve > localization using non-individualized hrtfs some years back. From memory, the > results were a bit mixed and most used dynamic training methods so that would > include head tracking. The counter-argument for using non-individualized > hrtfs is that the sound gets “colored”. That is, the spectrum gets changed in > a way that is different to one’s own hrtf. > > Kind regards > > Alan > > From: Sursound <sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu > <mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu>> On Behalf Of Douglas Murray > Sent: Friday, 21 April 2023 6:14 PM > To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu > <mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu>> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] ASA Academy short course on “Fundamentals of Binaural > Hearing” Survey > > Hi Alan, > > Thanks for asking. I’ll have to be a bit clearer about my question about > binaural. For me binaural listening has never been more than a vague spatial > quality in the sound. Sometimes it sounds more “natural” than stereo. > Specific locations are not clearly localized. Add head tracking and things > become much clearer. But without head tracking the sound field remains vague. > > In early experiences with binaural without head tracking I found the effects > lacking in the very thing it was supposed to be delivering: more accurate > localization than with volume based panning. More recently, after many hours > of attentive listening, I have found the effect more convincing. > > So my question is, is the effective localization of binaural sound a learned > skill? And if so, can the skill be taught? > > Cheers, > > Douglas > >> On Apr 21, 2023, at 6:35 AM, Alan Kan <alan....@mq.edu.au >> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au><mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au >> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au>>> wrote: >> >> Hi Douglas, >> >> I’m not 100% sure I understand what you mean. Could you elaborate? >> >> Kind regards >> >> Alan >> >> From: Sursound <sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu >> <mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu><mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu >> <mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu>>> On Behalf Of Douglas Murray >> Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2023 3:50 PM >> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu >> <mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu><mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu >> <mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu>>> >> Subject: Re: [Sursound] ASA Academy short course on “Fundamentals of >> Binaural Hearing” Survey >> >> Alan, >> >> Your long link worked. Thanks for updating that. >> >> It seems to me that the full appreciation of binaural sound without head >> tracking is perhaps more of a learned skill than an automatic sensation. I >> wonder if this can be taught? >> >> Douglas >> >>> On Apr 20, 2023, at 2:10 AM, Alan Kan <alan....@mq.edu.au >>> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au><mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au >>> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au><mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au >>> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au>%3cmailto:alan....@mq.edu.au >>> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au>>>> wrote: >>> >>> Strange. The shortened link is generated by Google Sheets. Here’s the long >>> form of the link: >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeeya9pD70oYqCaN4DwYzqJp2F-W0gIa74cHSUeyyexxJcPeQ/viewform<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeeya9pD70oYqCaN4DwYzqJp2F-W0gIa74cHSUeyyexxJcPeQ/viewform><https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeeya9pD70oYqCaN4DwYzqJp2F-W0gIa74cHSUeyyexxJcPeQ/viewform<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeeya9pD70oYqCaN4DwYzqJp2F-W0gIa74cHSUeyyexxJcPeQ/viewform> >>> >>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeeya9pD70oYqCaN4DwYzqJp2F-W0gIa74cHSUeyyexxJcPeQ/viewform%3Chttps://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeeya9pD70oYqCaN4DwYzqJp2F-W0gIa74cHSUeyyexxJcPeQ/viewform%3E%3Chttps://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeeya9pD70oYqCaN4DwYzqJp2F-W0gIa74cHSUeyyexxJcPeQ/viewform%3Chttps://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeeya9pD70oYqCaN4DwYzqJp2F-W0gIa74cHSUeyyexxJcPeQ/viewform%3E>> >>> >>> Apologies and thank you for your interest. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> From: Sursound <sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu >>> <mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu><mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu >>> <mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu><mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu >>> <mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu>%3cmailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu >>> <mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu>>>> On Behalf Of Douglas Murray >>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 April 2023 6:19 PM >>> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu >>> <mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu><mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu >>> <mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu><mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu >>> <mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu>%3cmailto:sursound@music.vt.edu >>> <mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] ASA Academy short course on “Fundamentals of >>> Binaural Hearing” Survey >>> >>> The survey link supplied gives me an error when I click on it, as follows: >>> >>> Invalid Dynamic Link >>> >>> Requested URL must be a parseable URI, but possibly incomplete to be a >>> DynamicLink. >>> >>> If you are the developer of this app, ensure that your Dynamic Links domain >>> is correctly configured and that the path component of this URL is valid. >>> >>> Douglas >>> >>>>> On Apr 19, 2023, at 12:57 AM, Alan Kan <alan....@mq.edu.au >>>>> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au><mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au >>>>> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au><mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au >>>>> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au>%3cmailto:alan....@mq.edu.au >>>>> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au><mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au >>>>> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au>%3cmailto:alan....@mq.edu.au >>>>> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au>%3cmailto:alan....@mq.edu.au >>>>> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au>%3cmailto:alan....@mq.edu.au >>>>> <mailto:alan....@mq.edu.au>>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear List, >>>> >>>> Apologies for cross-posting. >>>> >>>> The Acoustical Society of America’s, ASA Academy is considering offering a >>>> short course on the “Fundamentals of Binaural Hearing,” and we would >>>> greatly appreciate the thoughts and inputs of list member regarding such a >>>> course. All would be welcome in the course, however the primary audience >>>> would be individuals such as engineers, software developers, and >>>> technicians who have started a job that requires a basic level of >>>> knowledge of binaural hearing but have had little-to-no experience with >>>> acoustics or auditory perception. Potential course topics could include: >>>> >>>> 1) Fundamentals of acoustics (e.g., basic wave propagation, refraction, >>>> reflection) >>>> 2) Digital signal processing (e.g., sampling, quantization, filtering, FFT) >>>> 3) Fundamentals of Hearing (e.g., physical structure of ear, cochlear >>>> transduction, basic perception, auditory pathways in the brain) >>>> 4) Fundamentals of Binaural Hearing (e.g., ILDs, ITDs, spectral cues) >>>> 5) Applications of Spatial Audio (e.g., HRTFs, head tracking, dynamic vs >>>> static spatialization, room modeling) >>>> >>>> To help us further develop the course, and gauge interest, we have put >>>> together a brief survey. >>>> >>>> If you would be willing to complete the survey, and/or distribute to >>>> others in your network that may be interested, that would be great! >>>> >>>> Survey link: >>>> https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA<https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA><https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA<https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA>><https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA<https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA><https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA<https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA>>><https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA<https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA><https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA<https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA> >>>> >>>> <https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA%3Chttps://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA%3E%3Chttps://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA%3Chttps://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA%3E%3E%3Chttps://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA%3Chttps://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA%3E%3Chttps://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA%3Chttps://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA%3E%3E%3E%3Chttps://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA%3Chttps://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA%3E%3Chttps://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA%3Chttps://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA%3E>><https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA<https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA><https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA<https://forms.gle/ztYi5z9W1C9sbNELA>>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you for your help and input. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> ASA Academy - 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