Hi Spatials, On the outside.possibility that anyone finds themselves around Killarney National Park in Ireland today, The Garden of Unearthly Delights 3D sound installation is open free to the public, details here:
https://fb.watch/jw0M1Skl1n/ Exact location: Dropped pin https://maps.app.goo.gl/iP74ynDuhJiwVz1U6 All the best Gus On Wed, 15 Feb 2023, 17:00 , <sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu> wrote: > Send Sursound mailing list submissions to > sursound@music.vt.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sursound-ow...@music.vt.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Sursound digest..." > > > WHEN REPLYING EDIT THE SUBJECT LINE > > ALSO EDIT THE MESSAGE BODY > > You are receiving the digest so when replying, please remember to edit > your Subject line to that of the original message you are replying to, so > it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Sursound-list digest?" the > subject should match the post you are replying to. > > Also, please EDIT the quoted post so that it is not the entire digest, but > just the post you are replying to - this will keep the archive useful and > not polluted with extraneous posts. > > This is the responsibility of digest subscribers. the community and list > subscribers care about the integrity of the threads and archives so this is > important. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Tenure-track professorship open in Aalto University (Pulkki Ville) > 2. Re: So long CIPIC HRTF? (Fons Adriaensen) > 3. Re: So long CIPIC HRTF? (Sampo Syreeni) > 4. Re: So long CIPIC HRTF? (Chris Woolf) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:21:21 +0000 > From: Pulkki Ville <ville.pul...@aalto.fi> > To: "sursound@music.vt.edu" <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Subject: [Sursound] Tenure-track professorship open in Aalto > University > Message-ID: <433f58be-15e0-474d-b35b-17f1036d5...@aalto.fi> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, > > [sorry for cross-posting] > > We have an assistant-level tenure-track faculty position Department of > Information and Communications Engineering in Aalto University. > > We welcome all applicants with a research background where psychoacoustics > is applied in audio or any other field of acoustics. > > More details here: > > https://aalto.wd3.myworkdayjobs.com/PrivateJobPosting/job/Otaniemi-Espoo-Finland/Assistant-Professor-in-Technical-Psychoacoustics--tenure-track-_R35274-5 > > The campus of Aalto University is in Espoo, metropolitan area of Helsinki, > Finland. > > > All the best, > Ville Pulkki > Professor of Acoustics > Acoustics lab > Dept Information and Communications Engineering > Aalto University > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20230215/b45a154f/attachment.htm > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 12:44:46 +0100 > From: Fons Adriaensen <f...@linuxaudio.org> > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [Sursound] So long CIPIC HRTF? > Message-ID: <y+zfriewicqsu...@mail.linuxaudio.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 05:06:39PM +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > > > I'd put counter-aileron, maybe some rudder, and often pull down > > to recover airspeed... > > 'pull down' ?? > > You either 'pull up' or 'push down'... > > And if you're in a spiral, there is no need to recover > airspeed - it will be dangerously high and you want to > reduce it. > > Ciao, > > -- > FA > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 15:43:00 +0200 (EET) > From: Sampo Syreeni <de...@iki.fi> > To: ch...@chriswoolf.co.uk, Surround Sound discussion group > <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] So long CIPIC HRTF? > Message-ID: <34f893f7-9177-22aa-cac3-ae267186...@lakka.kapsi.fi> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On 2022-12-31, Chris Woolf wrote: > > > It has always struck me that we can indeed adapt remarkably quickly to > > local changes in our personal HTRF, and that therefore this needs to > > be considered as a dynamic affair, rather than a purely static one. > > By the way, there are even more remarkable examples of that adaptability > in psychophysics. Perhaps the most dramatic I know of is the one of > inverting goggles. Apparently, if you consistently wear a headset which > flips your vision upside down, in about two to three weeks your circuits > adjust to compensate, and then back again once you stop the experiment. > That happens even if you're an adult, so that this is not an example of > early childhood, low level plasticity and the irreversibility that comes > with it. (Pace kittens only shown vertical stripes and that sort of > thing.) > > > So how much precision is really needed for an HRTF? And how inaccurate > > can it be for our normal correction ability to deal with it? > > Perhaps even more to the point, what precisely are the mechanisms which > enable us to compensate like that? Because if we really understood what > they are, maybe we could take conscious advantage of them, to rapidly > train people to work with a generalized HRTF set, instead of going the > hard way of measuring or modelling individualized head, torso and pinna > responses. > > One obvious answer is feedback. I'd argue the main reason head tracking > works so well is that we're tuned to correlate how we move with the > sensory input provoked by the movement. That's for instance how children > appear to learn first occlusion and then by extension object constancy. > In audition, I've had the pleasure of trying out a research system in > which different kinds of head tracked binaural auralization methods were > available for side by side comparison. The system worked surprisingly > well even with no HRTF's applied, but just amplitude and delay variation > against an idealized pair of point omni receivers. I also adapted to it > *really* fast, like in ten minutes or so. > > But is there more? Head tracking, especially in a directionally solid > and low latency form, isn't exactly an over the counter solution yet. So > could you perhaps at least partially substitute the learning from > feedback with something like synchronized visual or tactile cues, in a > training session? Because if you could, you'd suddenly gain a lower cost > yet at least somewhat effective version of binaural rendering; there > would be money to be made. > -- > Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - de...@iki.fi, http://decoy.iki.fi/front > +358-40-3751464 <http://decoy.iki.fi/front+358-40-3751464>, 025E D175 > ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 16:57:43 +0000 > From: Chris Woolf <ch...@chriswoolf.co.uk> > To: Sampo Syreeni <de...@iki.fi>, Surround Sound discussion group > <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] So long CIPIC HRTF? > Message-ID: <e200987b-8348-6ba2-5f59-957bf5614...@chriswoolf.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > You add some attractive academic thought to this problem - more > organised than my original poke. > > Can I throw in another silly thought? The "training" to cope with a > modified HRTF - say, putting on a tilted wide-brimmed hat and pulling a > thick scarf round one's neck - seems to take place almost instantly. As > someone mentioned on this list before, this is probably because there > are visual clues that allow us to re-calibrate our direction sensing, > most particularly if the changes are within a range that we have often > met before. That familiarity seems necessary,? because I've noticed that > if one of my ears is temporarily blocked for some reason, I can still > make the directional re-calibration but it definitely takes longer - > long enough for me to be conscious of doing it. > > The silly thought is, do we just need a short-term feedback correction? > A brief visual cue, which can subsequently be dropped, because our > neural correction system retains the re-calibration until something else > occurs to convince our brain that it needs to correct again. No idea how > you might experiment with that.... > > Chris Woolf > > > On 15/02/2023 13:43, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > > On 2022-12-31, Chris Woolf wrote: > > > >> It has always struck me that we can indeed adapt remarkably quickly > >> to local changes in our personal HTRF, and that therefore this needs > >> to be considered as a dynamic affair, rather than a purely static one. > > > > By the way, there are even more remarkable examples of that > > adaptability in psychophysics. Perhaps the most dramatic I know of is > > the one of inverting goggles. Apparently, if you consistently wear a > > headset which flips your vision upside down, in about two to three > > weeks your circuits adjust to compensate, and then back again once you > > stop the experiment. That happens even if you're an adult, so that > > this is not an example of early childhood, low level plasticity and > > the irreversibility that comes with it. (Pace kittens only shown > > vertical stripes and that sort of thing.) > > > >> So how much precision is really needed for an HRTF? And how > >> inaccurate can it be for our normal correction ability to deal with it? > > > > Perhaps even more to the point, what precisely are the mechanisms > > which enable us to compensate like that? Because if we really > > understood what they are, maybe we could take conscious advantage of > > them, to rapidly train people to work with a generalized HRTF set, > > instead of going the hard way of measuring or modelling individualized > > head, torso and pinna responses. > > > > One obvious answer is feedback. I'd argue the main reason head > > tracking works so well is that we're tuned to correlate how we move > > with the sensory input provoked by the movement. That's for instance > > how children appear to learn first occlusion and then by extension > > object constancy. In audition, I've had the pleasure of trying out a > > research system in which different kinds of head tracked binaural > > auralization methods were available for side by side comparison. The > > system worked surprisingly well even with no HRTF's applied, but just > > amplitude and delay variation against an idealized pair of point omni > > receivers. I also adapted to it *really* fast, like in ten minutes or so. > > > > But is there more? Head tracking, especially in a directionally solid > > and low latency form, isn't exactly an over the counter solution yet. > > So could you perhaps at least partially substitute the learning from > > feedback with something like synchronized visual or tactile cues, in a > > training session? Because if you could, you'd suddenly gain a lower > > cost yet at least somewhat effective version of binaural rendering; > > there would be money to be made. > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > WHEN REPLYING EDIT THE SUBJECT LINE > > ALSO EDIT THE MESSAGE BODY > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Sursound Digest, Vol 174, Issue 5 > **************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20230326/792e479e/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
