Hi Steve, Good suggestions. My NS10s have given up the ghost - I had them since 1998. I also loved them and couldn't see why everyone was always moaning about them. Im a Genelec guy too now - I love the GLM calibration. I have an old pair of Kefs too which sound lovely - anyway I digress - cheers!
On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 12:40, Steven Boardman <boardroomout...@gmail.com> wrote: > If you have a set of HD600 (which as everyone says are great), you could > convolve your pinnae and the headphones together, producing an IR that can > flatten out both. > This will mean you can use your own SOFA HRTF file, with no added effect > from headphones, or the doubling of your pinnae. Effectively flat response > at the ear canal. (eq’ing for the ear canal is another point of interest). > You can then use your favourite NS10 IR for that authentic 80-90’s mixing > reference, or any other speaker, studio or room. > Personally I always prefer to mix on speakers and test on headphones, no > matter what the delivery is. > This has always produced the most robust mix for me, that translates best > across all delivery platforms. > > Incidentally I mixed solely on NS10’s all the way up to 2009, at which > point I had 8 in a cube. > I was that in love with mixing on them, that I mixed ambisonics with them > too. > Although as you might guess, they aren’t very good for ambisonics because > of the off centre tweeters. > These days i’m purely Genelec for HOA, but I still test on every set of > headphones, laptops phones, cars, and NS10’s I can find:) > > Best > > Steve > > > > On 25 Jun 2020, at 10:34, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > That's nice to hear seeing as that is what I am using and they are very > > accurate measuring very flat and fast spectral decay at all frequencies > > more neutral than the HD650 or HD800. They are certainly my first choice > of > > headphones for mixing normal audio. However.... I guess the requirements > of > > binaural may be slightly different to normal stereo mixing and certainly > > hifi listening. At least that's what I'm trying to assess at the moment. > So > > for mixing stereo you might choose Ns10m ((definately not flat) Genelec, > > Atc whatever for mixing but for mastering you would choose Bowers and > > Wilkins, Dunlavy, larger speakers generally. The applications for mixing > > and mastering being slightly different. So I wonder if it's the same for > > headphones. A listening test which assessed subject localisation in 3d > > space comparing the same audio over various headphones would seem to be > the > > best way to resolve this. A large enough sample size should override the > > differences between individual HRTFs. What you say about diffusivity is > > interesting though I don't know how you could test for that. > > > > > > On Thursday, 25 June 2020, Gernot von Schultzendorff < > > g.schultzendo...@saalakustik.de> wrote: > > > >> The spatial reproduction of localization cues as they are used in common > >> perception tests is only one aspect when it comes to the question of how > >> well headphones are able to represent 3-dimensional spatiality. From my > >> point of view it is even more important how headphones are able to > >> reproduce diffusivity, because appropriate and meaningful diffusivity > >> recognized by the perceptual system of the listener directly influences > the > >> overall quality of what is perceived. What is meant is the perceptual > >> phenomenon that makes the listening experience in very good concert > halls a > >> very special one. This is a matter of holistic diffusivity, not local > >> diffusivity, the latter making a single sound source appear less sharply > >> defined. Holistic diffusivity can be experienced directly in good > concert > >> halls by switching between a place that is cut off from the diffusivity > >> field (most often under the balconies) and a "good" listening place > during > >> the interval - sometimes it is already enough and makes t > >> he comparison especially striking to simply sit down 2 rows further > >> ahead. There are worlds between the two listening experiences. > >> > >> Such holistic diffusivity which is not uniform but highly structured > seems > >> to be largely under the radar of acoustic and perceptual sciences, and, > as > >> far as I know, it is also hardly ever discussed in the audio field. > >> > >> Already with stereo music recordings, it is usually an essential sound > >> aesthetic goal for me to make this kind of diffusivity effective to the > >> listener even within the highly limited context of the stereo format. > These > >> recordings are mixed over loudspeakers, but with the occasional use of > >> headphones I always choose the Sennheiser HD600. Also and especially > with > >> binaural mixes (HOA 3rd order) I haven't listened to any better suited > >> headphones so far. Without wanting to judge what the technical > background > >> for this is, the described "holistic" spatial reproduction of these > >> headphones has been extremely successful. It is the main reason why it > >> seems to be the most common tool used by audio professionals involved in > >> binaural mixing (it was also used, besides the entries here in the > forum, > >> for the binaural remixes of old Kraftwerk recordings). > >> > >> Best > >> Gernot > >> > >> > >>> Am 24.06.2020 um 18:00 schrieb sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu: > >>> > >>> Message: 1 > >>> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 11:48:53 +0200 (CEST) > >>> From: Brian KATZ <brian.k...@sorbonne-universite.fr> > >>> To: sursound@music.vt.edu > >>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Suitable headphones for monitoring binaural > >>> compositions > >>> Message-ID: > >>> <969745703.37859639.1592992133215.JavaMail.zimbra@ > >> sorbonne-universite.fr> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >>> > >>> "it would interesting to see if there are any papers/listening > >> tests which have > >>> tested lovcalisation with HRTFs and different types of headphones - are > >>> there any ?" > >>> > >>> Here is at lest 1 study that I am familiar with: > >>> > >>> D. Sch?nstein, L. Ferr?, and B. Katz, ?Comparison of headphones and > >> equalization for virtual auditory source localization,? in > Acoustics?08. 9e > >> Congres Fran?ais d?Acoustique of the SFA. Paru dans : JASA, Vol 123, > n?5, > >> (Paris), pp. 1?5, 2008, ( > http://webistem.com/acoustics2008/acoustics2008/ > >> cd1/data/articles/001080.pdf). > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Brian FG Katz, Research Director, CNRS > >>> Groupe Lutheries - Acoustique ? 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