Hi Steve,
Good suggestions. My NS10s have given up the ghost - I had them since 1998.
I also loved them and couldn't see why everyone was always moaning about
them. Im a Genelec guy too now - I love the GLM calibration. I have an old
pair of Kefs too which sound lovely - anyway I digress - cheers!

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 12:40, Steven Boardman <boardroomout...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> If you have a set of HD600 (which as everyone says are great), you could
> convolve your pinnae and the headphones together, producing an IR that can
> flatten out both.
> This will mean you can use your own SOFA HRTF file, with no added effect
> from headphones, or the doubling of your pinnae. Effectively flat response
> at the ear canal. (eq’ing for the ear canal is another point of interest).
> You can then use your favourite NS10 IR for that authentic 80-90’s mixing
> reference, or any other speaker, studio or room.
> Personally I always prefer to mix on speakers and test on headphones, no
> matter what the delivery is.
> This has always produced the most robust mix for me, that translates best
> across all delivery platforms.
>
> Incidentally I mixed solely on NS10’s all the way up to 2009, at which
> point I had 8 in a cube.
>  I was that in love with mixing on them, that I mixed ambisonics with them
> too.
> Although as you might guess, they aren’t very good for ambisonics because
> of the off centre tweeters.
> These days i’m purely Genelec for HOA, but I still test on every set of
> headphones, laptops phones, cars, and NS10’s  I can find:)
>
> Best
>
> Steve
>
>
> > On 25 Jun 2020, at 10:34, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > That's nice to hear seeing as that is what I am using and they are very
> > accurate measuring very flat and fast spectral decay at all frequencies
> > more neutral than the HD650 or HD800. They are certainly my first choice
> of
> > headphones for mixing normal audio. However.... I guess the requirements
> of
> > binaural may be slightly different to normal stereo mixing and certainly
> > hifi listening. At least that's what I'm trying to assess at the moment.
> So
> > for mixing stereo you might choose Ns10m ((definately not flat) Genelec,
> > Atc whatever for mixing but for mastering you would choose Bowers and
> > Wilkins, Dunlavy, larger speakers generally. The applications for mixing
> > and mastering being slightly different. So I wonder if it's the same for
> > headphones. A listening test which assessed subject localisation in 3d
> > space comparing the same audio over various headphones would seem to be
> the
> > best way to resolve this. A large enough sample size should override the
> > differences between individual HRTFs. What you say about diffusivity is
> > interesting though I don't know how you could test for that.
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, 25 June 2020, Gernot von Schultzendorff <
> > g.schultzendo...@saalakustik.de> wrote:
> >
> >> The spatial reproduction of localization cues as they are used in common
> >> perception tests is only one aspect when it comes to the question of how
> >> well headphones are able to represent 3-dimensional spatiality. From my
> >> point of view it is even more important how headphones are able to
> >> reproduce diffusivity, because appropriate and meaningful diffusivity
> >> recognized by the perceptual system of the listener directly influences
> the
> >> overall quality of what is perceived. What is meant is the perceptual
> >> phenomenon that makes the listening experience in very good concert
> halls a
> >> very special one. This is a matter of holistic diffusivity, not local
> >> diffusivity, the latter making a single sound source appear less sharply
> >> defined. Holistic diffusivity can be experienced directly in good
> concert
> >> halls by switching between a place that is cut off from the diffusivity
> >> field (most often under the balconies) and a "good" listening place
> during
> >> the interval - sometimes it is already enough and makes t
> >> he comparison especially striking to simply sit down 2 rows further
> >> ahead. There are worlds between the two listening experiences.
> >>
> >> Such holistic diffusivity which is not uniform but highly structured
> seems
> >> to be largely under the radar of acoustic and perceptual sciences, and,
> as
> >> far as I know, it is also hardly ever discussed in the audio field.
> >>
> >> Already with stereo music recordings, it is usually an essential sound
> >> aesthetic goal for me to make this kind of diffusivity effective to the
> >> listener even within the highly limited context of the stereo format.
> These
> >> recordings are mixed over loudspeakers, but with the occasional use of
> >> headphones I always choose the Sennheiser HD600. Also and especially
> with
> >> binaural mixes (HOA 3rd order) I haven't listened to any better suited
> >> headphones so far. Without wanting to judge what the technical
> background
> >> for this is, the described "holistic" spatial reproduction of these
> >> headphones has been extremely successful. It is the main reason why it
> >> seems to be the most common tool used by audio professionals involved in
> >> binaural mixing (it was also used, besides the entries here in the
> forum,
> >> for the binaural remixes of old Kraftwerk recordings).
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Gernot
> >>
> >>
> >>> Am 24.06.2020 um 18:00 schrieb sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu:
> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 11:48:53 +0200 (CEST)
> >>> From: Brian KATZ <brian.k...@sorbonne-universite.fr>
> >>> To: sursound@music.vt.edu
> >>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Suitable headphones for monitoring binaural
> >>>      compositions
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>>      <969745703.37859639.1592992133215.JavaMail.zimbra@
> >> sorbonne-universite.fr>
> >>>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >>>
> >>>      "it would interesting to see if there are any papers/listening
> >> tests which have
> >>> tested lovcalisation with HRTFs and different types of headphones - are
> >>> there any ?"
> >>>
> >>> Here is at lest 1 study that I am familiar with:
> >>>
> >>> D. Sch?nstein, L. Ferr?, and B. Katz, ?Comparison of headphones and
> >> equalization for virtual auditory source localization,? in
> Acoustics?08. 9e
> >> Congres Fran?ais d?Acoustique of the SFA. Paru dans : JASA, Vol 123,
> n?5,
> >> (Paris), pp. 1?5, 2008, (
> http://webistem.com/acoustics2008/acoustics2008/
> >> cd1/data/articles/001080.pdf).
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Brian FG Katz, Research Director, CNRS
> >>> Groupe Lutheries - Acoustique ? Musique
> >>> Sorbonne Universit?, CNRS, UMR 7190, Institut Jean Le Rond ?'Alembert
> >>> http://www.dalembert.upmc.fr/home/katz
> >>
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