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>    1. Re: Multichannel players for permanent installations
>       (Richard Foss)
>    2. Re: Multichannel players for permanent installations
>       (Augustine Leudar)
>    3. Re: Multichannel players for permanent installations
>       (Augustine Leudar)
>    4. Re: Multichannel players for permanent installations
>       (Richard Foss)
>    5. Re: Multichannel players for permanent installations
>       (Augustine Leudar)
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> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 10:33:48 +0200
> From: Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za>
> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent
>         installations
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> That sounds great Augustine, and fun! Certainly highlights the flexibility
> and capability of Max/MSP.
>
> Immergo uses the gyroscope of the smartphone/tablet for orientation
> determination.
>
> The typical mode of working is to touch-move a sound source (circle)
> around a representation of the sound space on the screen, for two
> dimensional movement, and to tilt the device at the same time for the third
> dimension. You can request that all three axes are provided by phone
> orientation though. So then it would be like pointing the device to
> indicate the location of the sound.
>
> The rendering algorithm is selectable - DBAP is used for unusual speaker
> arrangements, like an art installation ?tunnel? that we are currently
> setting up. But you can select VBAP if the speakers are arranged on a
> sphere. Big thank you?s to Trond Lossius and Ville Pulkki who made their
> algorithms freely available!!
>
> A long overdue and pleasurable task is to use Max with Immergo. Currently
> using the Reaper DAW. I will keep you updated.
>
>
> > On 29 Jun 2017, at 11:38 PM, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thats pretty impressive Richard - I would definately consider this system
> > in future for indoor stuff. In terms of interactive and automation - I do
> > that in MaxMSP mostly - so we have things like an accelerometer on your
> > hand and wherever you point there is a sound etc etc - you also have a
> map
> > of the speakers and pan around that map (using Dbap basically) - Ive
> seen a
> > lot of third party systems that do automation etc - but I am already
> pretty
> > happy with max for interactive 3D audio - theres nothing Ive found I
> > couldnt do yet ! But I guess I could integrate max easily enough with the
> > AVB system.
> >
> > On 29 June 2017 at 22:28, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
> >
> >> One other thing - you mentioned wanting to move audio channels in real
> >> time - you can move up to 32 channels around in the speaker space,
> using a
> >> client-server program called Immergo. The server runs on the Mac and the
> >> client on the Mac or a remote tablet - its web browser based, so you
> type
> >> in a URL. You successively select tracks and move them around a
> >> representation of your speaker space. You can record and play back the
> >> movements. The movements are realized via mixer matrices in the
> speakers.
> >>
> >> So its two different approaches you can use - pre-prepared channels with
> >> movement incorporated (guess you would use the terminology ?bed
> channels?)
> >> or channels that can be moved via the mixer matrices (object audio
> style),
> >> where metadata containing time stamped 3D coords is recorded.
> >>
> >> Richard.
> >>
> >>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:52 PM, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That?s correct Augustine - just the Ethernet out the Mac. That will go
> >> into an Ethernet AVB compliant PoE+ switch (extreme, netgear etc).
> >>>
> >>> The SPK-4Ps will be connected to other ports of the switch. You can
> link
> >> together switches for larger port numbers.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:25 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> >> augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Richard -
> >>>> So if I have this right no interface is required - just the ethernet
> >> out of
> >>>> the mac ?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 29 June 2017 at 20:49, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za <mailto:
> >> r.f...@ru.ac.za>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Augustine, to answer this question about the SPK-4Ps:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> can you daisy chain them (as discrete channels) or would you have to
> >> run
> >>>>> a seperate ethernet cable to each one?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You would run a separate Ethernet cable from a switch to each one. So
> >> for
> >>>>> example, running a DAW on a Mac, you would output your tracks to the
> >>>>> outputs made available by the Mac AVB virtual audio entity, and each
> >>>>> speaker would listen to one of the outputs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You would use PoE+, not PoE, and each speaker is powered by a Merus
> >> audio
> >>>>> Eximo amplifier, providing 30W. With the Mac you could connect up to
> >> 120
> >>>>> speakers. You also have the possibility of connecting a separate
> >> passive
> >>>>> speaker to the powered one, providing 2 x 15W.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here is a bit more info:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp-
> >>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/ <http://www
> <
> >> http://www/>.
> >>>>> technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp- <
> >> http://technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp->
> >>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Richard.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 6:38 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> >> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> aye - and that would kind of defeat the advantage of it - Ill stick
> to
> >>>>>> passive for now - Ive always found active speakers a bit of a pain
> for
> >>>>>> larger site specific stuff because you have to run power to  them as
> >> well
> >>>>>> as audio.
> >>>>>> These look like they might be OK for some stuff :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.immersivedsp.com/products/spk-4p
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> but Im a bit unsure as to what exactly they can do - can you daisy
> >> chain
> >>>>>> them (as discrete channels) or would you have to run a seperate
> >> ethernet
> >>>>>> cable to each one  ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 29 June 2017 at 17:04, Dave Hunt <davehuntau...@btinternet.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think that you'll find that an active speaker with an AVB input
> >> will
> >>>>>>> require more current than can be supplied over an ethernet cable.
> >>>>> Perhaps
> >>>>>>> for very small speakers with a low power digital amplifier, but
> >> anything
> >>>>>>> decent would require mains (or DC batteries) to the speaker.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The available current may power the DAC though.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ciao,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> Date: 28 June 2017 22:06:52 BDT
> >>>>>>>> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent
> >>>>> installations
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Richard -
> >>>>>>>> There is lots of things that pan all around the room but the
> >>>>> soundscape is
> >>>>>>>> designed in pre production for this installation and then its
> just a
> >>>>>>>> multichannel file (or seperate mono ones). Other installations I
> do
> >> are
> >>>>>>>> interactive and so sounds are processed and panned in realtime
> >> around
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> space depending on the sensors used etc. Certainly the AVB thing
> >> might
> >>>>> be
> >>>>>>>> good for some less inhospitable environments- I especially like
> the
> >> way
> >>>>>>>> power can be taken to the the speakers via the ethernet cable.....
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>> --
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> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:37:20 +0100
> From: Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent
>         installations
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> Funny - I have been involved in two 3d audio tunnels recently - if you ever
> want to sync max up with your stuff let me know - I have also been matching
> max with Unity and other 3D technologies recently which has produced
> interesting results. Im doing a demo in London around the beginning of
> September if you're around PM me :)
>
> On 30 June 2017 at 09:33, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
>
> > That sounds great Augustine, and fun! Certainly highlights the
> flexibility
> > and capability of Max/MSP.
> >
> > Immergo uses the gyroscope of the smartphone/tablet for orientation
> > determination.
> >
> > The typical mode of working is to touch-move a sound source (circle)
> > around a representation of the sound space on the screen, for two
> > dimensional movement, and to tilt the device at the same time for the
> third
> > dimension. You can request that all three axes are provided by phone
> > orientation though. So then it would be like pointing the device to
> > indicate the location of the sound.
> >
> > The rendering algorithm is selectable - DBAP is used for unusual speaker
> > arrangements, like an art installation ?tunnel? that we are currently
> > setting up. But you can select VBAP if the speakers are arranged on a
> > sphere. Big thank you?s to Trond Lossius and Ville Pulkki who made their
> > algorithms freely available!!
> >
> > A long overdue and pleasurable task is to use Max with Immergo. Currently
> > using the Reaper DAW. I will keep you updated.
> >
> >
> > > On 29 Jun 2017, at 11:38 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thats pretty impressive Richard - I would definately consider this
> system
> > > in future for indoor stuff. In terms of interactive and automation - I
> do
> > > that in MaxMSP mostly - so we have things like an accelerometer on your
> > > hand and wherever you point there is a sound etc etc - you also have a
> > map
> > > of the speakers and pan around that map (using Dbap basically) - Ive
> > seen a
> > > lot of third party systems that do automation etc - but I am already
> > pretty
> > > happy with max for interactive 3D audio - theres nothing Ive found I
> > > couldnt do yet ! But I guess I could integrate max easily enough with
> the
> > > AVB system.
> > >
> > > On 29 June 2017 at 22:28, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
> > >
> > >> One other thing - you mentioned wanting to move audio channels in real
> > >> time - you can move up to 32 channels around in the speaker space,
> > using a
> > >> client-server program called Immergo. The server runs on the Mac and
> the
> > >> client on the Mac or a remote tablet - its web browser based, so you
> > type
> > >> in a URL. You successively select tracks and move them around a
> > >> representation of your speaker space. You can record and play back the
> > >> movements. The movements are realized via mixer matrices in the
> > speakers.
> > >>
> > >> So its two different approaches you can use - pre-prepared channels
> with
> > >> movement incorporated (guess you would use the terminology ?bed
> > channels?)
> > >> or channels that can be moved via the mixer matrices (object audio
> > style),
> > >> where metadata containing time stamped 3D coords is recorded.
> > >>
> > >> Richard.
> > >>
> > >>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:52 PM, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> That?s correct Augustine - just the Ethernet out the Mac. That will
> go
> > >> into an Ethernet AVB compliant PoE+ switch (extreme, netgear etc).
> > >>>
> > >>> The SPK-4Ps will be connected to other ports of the switch. You can
> > link
> > >> together switches for larger port numbers.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:25 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> > >> augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi Richard -
> > >>>> So if I have this right no interface is required - just the ethernet
> > >> out of
> > >>>> the mac ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 29 June 2017 at 20:49, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za <mailto:
> > >> r.f...@ru.ac.za>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Augustine, to answer this question about the SPK-4Ps:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> can you daisy chain them (as discrete channels) or would you have
> to
> > >> run
> > >>>>> a seperate ethernet cable to each one?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You would run a separate Ethernet cable from a switch to each one.
> So
> > >> for
> > >>>>> example, running a DAW on a Mac, you would output your tracks to
> the
> > >>>>> outputs made available by the Mac AVB virtual audio entity, and
> each
> > >>>>> speaker would listen to one of the outputs.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You would use PoE+, not PoE, and each speaker is powered by a Merus
> > >> audio
> > >>>>> Eximo amplifier, providing 30W. With the Mac you could connect up
> to
> > >> 120
> > >>>>> speakers. You also have the possibility of connecting a separate
> > >> passive
> > >>>>> speaker to the powered one, providing 2 x 15W.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Here is a bit more info:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp-
> > >>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/ <
> http://www
> > <
> > >> http://www/>.
> > >>>>> technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp- <
> > >> http://technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp->
> > >>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Richard.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 6:38 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> > >> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> aye - and that would kind of defeat the advantage of it - Ill
> stick
> > to
> > >>>>>> passive for now - Ive always found active speakers a bit of a pain
> > for
> > >>>>>> larger site specific stuff because you have to run power to  them
> as
> > >> well
> > >>>>>> as audio.
> > >>>>>> These look like they might be OK for some stuff :
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://www.immersivedsp.com/products/spk-4p
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> but Im a bit unsure as to what exactly they can do - can you daisy
> > >> chain
> > >>>>>> them (as discrete channels) or would you have to run a seperate
> > >> ethernet
> > >>>>>> cable to each one  ?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 29 June 2017 at 17:04, Dave Hunt <davehuntau...@btinternet.com
> >
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I think that you'll find that an active speaker with an AVB input
> > >> will
> > >>>>>>> require more current than can be supplied over an ethernet cable.
> > >>>>> Perhaps
> > >>>>>>> for very small speakers with a low power digital amplifier, but
> > >> anything
> > >>>>>>> decent would require mains (or DC batteries) to the speaker.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The available current may power the DAC though.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Ciao,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Dave
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> From: Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>> Date: 28 June 2017 22:06:52 BDT
> > >>>>>>>> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent
> > >>>>> installations
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi Richard -
> > >>>>>>>> There is lots of things that pan all around the room but the
> > >>>>> soundscape is
> > >>>>>>>> designed in pre production for this installation and then its
> > just a
> > >>>>>>>> multichannel file (or seperate mono ones). Other installations I
> > do
> > >> are
> > >>>>>>>> interactive and so sounds are processed and panned in realtime
> > >> around
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>> space depending on the sensors used etc. Certainly the AVB thing
> > >> might
> > >>>>> be
> > >>>>>>>> good for some less inhospitable environments- I especially like
> > the
> > >> way
> > >>>>>>>> power can be taken to the the speakers via the ethernet
> cable.....
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Augustine Leudar
> > >>>>>> Artistic Director Magik Door LTD
> > >>>>>> Company Number : NI635217
> > >>>>>> Registered 63 Ballycoan rd,
> > >>>>>> Belfast BT88LL
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> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
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> > >>>> Artistic Director Magik Door LTD
> > >>>> Company Number : NI635217
> > >>>> Registered 63 Ballycoan rd,
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> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:39:28 +0100
> From: Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent
>         installations
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> by the way have you already done this thing pointing the phone and
> indicating a sound in 3d space - if so do you have a link to it ?
> This is a pretty crappy video of very early prototype I did a few years ago
> - but things have moved on a lot since this :
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cmodvSM5jE
>
> On 30 June 2017 at 09:33, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
>
> > That sounds great Augustine, and fun! Certainly highlights the
> flexibility
> > and capability of Max/MSP.
> >
> > Immergo uses the gyroscope of the smartphone/tablet for orientation
> > determination.
> >
> > The typical mode of working is to touch-move a sound source (circle)
> > around a representation of the sound space on the screen, for two
> > dimensional movement, and to tilt the device at the same time for the
> third
> > dimension. You can request that all three axes are provided by phone
> > orientation though. So then it would be like pointing the device to
> > indicate the location of the sound.
> >
> > The rendering algorithm is selectable - DBAP is used for unusual speaker
> > arrangements, like an art installation ?tunnel? that we are currently
> > setting up. But you can select VBAP if the speakers are arranged on a
> > sphere. Big thank you?s to Trond Lossius and Ville Pulkki who made their
> > algorithms freely available!!
> >
> > A long overdue and pleasurable task is to use Max with Immergo. Currently
> > using the Reaper DAW. I will keep you updated.
> >
> >
> > > On 29 Jun 2017, at 11:38 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thats pretty impressive Richard - I would definately consider this
> system
> > > in future for indoor stuff. In terms of interactive and automation - I
> do
> > > that in MaxMSP mostly - so we have things like an accelerometer on your
> > > hand and wherever you point there is a sound etc etc - you also have a
> > map
> > > of the speakers and pan around that map (using Dbap basically) - Ive
> > seen a
> > > lot of third party systems that do automation etc - but I am already
> > pretty
> > > happy with max for interactive 3D audio - theres nothing Ive found I
> > > couldnt do yet ! But I guess I could integrate max easily enough with
> the
> > > AVB system.
> > >
> > > On 29 June 2017 at 22:28, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
> > >
> > >> One other thing - you mentioned wanting to move audio channels in real
> > >> time - you can move up to 32 channels around in the speaker space,
> > using a
> > >> client-server program called Immergo. The server runs on the Mac and
> the
> > >> client on the Mac or a remote tablet - its web browser based, so you
> > type
> > >> in a URL. You successively select tracks and move them around a
> > >> representation of your speaker space. You can record and play back the
> > >> movements. The movements are realized via mixer matrices in the
> > speakers.
> > >>
> > >> So its two different approaches you can use - pre-prepared channels
> with
> > >> movement incorporated (guess you would use the terminology ?bed
> > channels?)
> > >> or channels that can be moved via the mixer matrices (object audio
> > style),
> > >> where metadata containing time stamped 3D coords is recorded.
> > >>
> > >> Richard.
> > >>
> > >>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:52 PM, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> That?s correct Augustine - just the Ethernet out the Mac. That will
> go
> > >> into an Ethernet AVB compliant PoE+ switch (extreme, netgear etc).
> > >>>
> > >>> The SPK-4Ps will be connected to other ports of the switch. You can
> > link
> > >> together switches for larger port numbers.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:25 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> > >> augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi Richard -
> > >>>> So if I have this right no interface is required - just the ethernet
> > >> out of
> > >>>> the mac ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 29 June 2017 at 20:49, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za <mailto:
> > >> r.f...@ru.ac.za>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Augustine, to answer this question about the SPK-4Ps:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> can you daisy chain them (as discrete channels) or would you have
> to
> > >> run
> > >>>>> a seperate ethernet cable to each one?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You would run a separate Ethernet cable from a switch to each one.
> So
> > >> for
> > >>>>> example, running a DAW on a Mac, you would output your tracks to
> the
> > >>>>> outputs made available by the Mac AVB virtual audio entity, and
> each
> > >>>>> speaker would listen to one of the outputs.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You would use PoE+, not PoE, and each speaker is powered by a Merus
> > >> audio
> > >>>>> Eximo amplifier, providing 30W. With the Mac you could connect up
> to
> > >> 120
> > >>>>> speakers. You also have the possibility of connecting a separate
> > >> passive
> > >>>>> speaker to the powered one, providing 2 x 15W.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Here is a bit more info:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp-
> > >>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/ <
> http://www
> > <
> > >> http://www/>.
> > >>>>> technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp- <
> > >> http://technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp->
> > >>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Richard.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 6:38 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> > >> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> aye - and that would kind of defeat the advantage of it - Ill
> stick
> > to
> > >>>>>> passive for now - Ive always found active speakers a bit of a pain
> > for
> > >>>>>> larger site specific stuff because you have to run power to  them
> as
> > >> well
> > >>>>>> as audio.
> > >>>>>> These look like they might be OK for some stuff :
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://www.immersivedsp.com/products/spk-4p
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> but Im a bit unsure as to what exactly they can do - can you daisy
> > >> chain
> > >>>>>> them (as discrete channels) or would you have to run a seperate
> > >> ethernet
> > >>>>>> cable to each one  ?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 29 June 2017 at 17:04, Dave Hunt <davehuntau...@btinternet.com
> >
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I think that you'll find that an active speaker with an AVB input
> > >> will
> > >>>>>>> require more current than can be supplied over an ethernet cable.
> > >>>>> Perhaps
> > >>>>>>> for very small speakers with a low power digital amplifier, but
> > >> anything
> > >>>>>>> decent would require mains (or DC batteries) to the speaker.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The available current may power the DAC though.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Ciao,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Dave
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> From: Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>> Date: 28 June 2017 22:06:52 BDT
> > >>>>>>>> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent
> > >>>>> installations
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi Richard -
> > >>>>>>>> There is lots of things that pan all around the room but the
> > >>>>> soundscape is
> > >>>>>>>> designed in pre production for this installation and then its
> > just a
> > >>>>>>>> multichannel file (or seperate mono ones). Other installations I
> > do
> > >> are
> > >>>>>>>> interactive and so sounds are processed and panned in realtime
> > >> around
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>> space depending on the sensors used etc. Certainly the AVB thing
> > >> might
> > >>>>> be
> > >>>>>>>> good for some less inhospitable environments- I especially like
> > the
> > >> way
> > >>>>>>>> power can be taken to the the speakers via the ethernet
> cable.....
> > >>>>>>>>
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> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:23:24 +0200
> From: Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za>
> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent
>         installations
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> That?s an inspiring video, thanks!
>
> And many points of contact. A few years back we used the Microsoft Kinect
> to allow for hand control over sound localization, much like you appear to
> be using the wii in the video. This worked well, except for the fact that
> the user had to be positioned in a fairly confined area. The mobile device
> control removes this restriction.
>
> Last year we used Unity and the Oculus with the LeapMotion controller to
> create a virtual room and move ?grabable? sound sources around it. We tried
> providing the audio over headphones using Unity?s capabilities, and also
> Immergo (DBAP) over speakers. Interestingly the test subjects preferred the
> external speakers.
>
> Yes, I have used the phone?s orientation capabilities to indicate a
> sound?s localization, but don?t have a video of it. You can see the layout
> on the phone here:
>
> https://www.immersivedsp.com/ <https://www.immersivedsp.com/>
>
> Checkboxes at the bottom select the various axes. The purple circle can be
> touch-moved for two dimensions, and the white rectangle indicates
> height.The blue circles indicate already recorded tracks that move with the
> playback of the sound.
>
> Would love to make the London demo and if possible will contact you,
> thanks!
>
>
> > On 30 Jun 2017, at 10:39 AM, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > by the way have you already done this thing pointing the phone and
> > indicating a sound in 3d space - if so do you have a link to it ?
> > This is a pretty crappy video of very early prototype I did a few years
> ago
> > - but things have moved on a lot since this :
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cmodvSM5jE
> >
> > On 30 June 2017 at 09:33, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
> >
> >> That sounds great Augustine, and fun! Certainly highlights the
> flexibility
> >> and capability of Max/MSP.
> >>
> >> Immergo uses the gyroscope of the smartphone/tablet for orientation
> >> determination.
> >>
> >> The typical mode of working is to touch-move a sound source (circle)
> >> around a representation of the sound space on the screen, for two
> >> dimensional movement, and to tilt the device at the same time for the
> third
> >> dimension. You can request that all three axes are provided by phone
> >> orientation though. So then it would be like pointing the device to
> >> indicate the location of the sound.
> >>
> >> The rendering algorithm is selectable - DBAP is used for unusual speaker
> >> arrangements, like an art installation ?tunnel? that we are currently
> >> setting up. But you can select VBAP if the speakers are arranged on a
> >> sphere. Big thank you?s to Trond Lossius and Ville Pulkki who made their
> >> algorithms freely available!!
> >>
> >> A long overdue and pleasurable task is to use Max with Immergo.
> Currently
> >> using the Reaper DAW. I will keep you updated.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 11:38 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thats pretty impressive Richard - I would definately consider this
> system
> >>> in future for indoor stuff. In terms of interactive and automation - I
> do
> >>> that in MaxMSP mostly - so we have things like an accelerometer on your
> >>> hand and wherever you point there is a sound etc etc - you also have a
> >> map
> >>> of the speakers and pan around that map (using Dbap basically) - Ive
> >> seen a
> >>> lot of third party systems that do automation etc - but I am already
> >> pretty
> >>> happy with max for interactive 3D audio - theres nothing Ive found I
> >>> couldnt do yet ! But I guess I could integrate max easily enough with
> the
> >>> AVB system.
> >>>
> >>> On 29 June 2017 at 22:28, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> One other thing - you mentioned wanting to move audio channels in real
> >>>> time - you can move up to 32 channels around in the speaker space,
> >> using a
> >>>> client-server program called Immergo. The server runs on the Mac and
> the
> >>>> client on the Mac or a remote tablet - its web browser based, so you
> >> type
> >>>> in a URL. You successively select tracks and move them around a
> >>>> representation of your speaker space. You can record and play back the
> >>>> movements. The movements are realized via mixer matrices in the
> >> speakers.
> >>>>
> >>>> So its two different approaches you can use - pre-prepared channels
> with
> >>>> movement incorporated (guess you would use the terminology ?bed
> >> channels?)
> >>>> or channels that can be moved via the mixer matrices (object audio
> >> style),
> >>>> where metadata containing time stamped 3D coords is recorded.
> >>>>
> >>>> Richard.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:52 PM, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That?s correct Augustine - just the Ethernet out the Mac. That will
> go
> >>>> into an Ethernet AVB compliant PoE+ switch (extreme, netgear etc).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The SPK-4Ps will be connected to other ports of the switch. You can
> >> link
> >>>> together switches for larger port numbers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:25 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> >>>> augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Richard -
> >>>>>> So if I have this right no interface is required - just the ethernet
> >>>> out of
> >>>>>> the mac ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 29 June 2017 at 20:49, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za <mailto:
> >>>> r.f...@ru.ac.za>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Augustine, to answer this question about the SPK-4Ps:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> can you daisy chain them (as discrete channels) or would you have
> to
> >>>> run
> >>>>>>> a seperate ethernet cable to each one?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You would run a separate Ethernet cable from a switch to each one.
> So
> >>>> for
> >>>>>>> example, running a DAW on a Mac, you would output your tracks to
> the
> >>>>>>> outputs made available by the Mac AVB virtual audio entity, and
> each
> >>>>>>> speaker would listen to one of the outputs.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You would use PoE+, not PoE, and each speaker is powered by a Merus
> >>>> audio
> >>>>>>> Eximo amplifier, providing 30W. With the Mac you could connect up
> to
> >>>> 120
> >>>>>>> speakers. You also have the possibility of connecting a separate
> >>>> passive
> >>>>>>> speaker to the powered one, providing 2 x 15W.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here is a bit more info:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp-
> >>>>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/ <
> http://www
> >> <
> >>>> http://www/>.
> >>>>>>> technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp- <
> >>>> http://technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp->
> >>>>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Richard.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 6:38 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> >>>> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> aye - and that would kind of defeat the advantage of it - Ill
> stick
> >> to
> >>>>>>>> passive for now - Ive always found active speakers a bit of a pain
> >> for
> >>>>>>>> larger site specific stuff because you have to run power to  them
> as
> >>>> well
> >>>>>>>> as audio.
> >>>>>>>> These look like they might be OK for some stuff :
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://www.immersivedsp.com/products/spk-4p
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> but Im a bit unsure as to what exactly they can do - can you daisy
> >>>> chain
> >>>>>>>> them (as discrete channels) or would you have to run a seperate
> >>>> ethernet
> >>>>>>>> cable to each one  ?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 29 June 2017 at 17:04, Dave Hunt <davehuntau...@btinternet.com
> >
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I think that you'll find that an active speaker with an AVB input
> >>>> will
> >>>>>>>>> require more current than can be supplied over an ethernet cable.
> >>>>>>> Perhaps
> >>>>>>>>> for very small speakers with a low power digital amplifier, but
> >>>> anything
> >>>>>>>>> decent would require mains (or DC batteries) to the speaker.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The available current may power the DAC though.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ciao,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 28 June 2017 22:06:52 BDT
> >>>>>>>>>> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent
> >>>>>>> installations
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Richard -
> >>>>>>>>>> There is lots of things that pan all around the room but the
> >>>>>>> soundscape is
> >>>>>>>>>> designed in pre production for this installation and then its
> >> just a
> >>>>>>>>>> multichannel file (or seperate mono ones). Other installations I
> >> do
> >>>> are
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> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 10:29:54 +0100
> From: Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent
>         installations
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> Hi Richard - Ive also being using the leap a lot - its great but a bit
> buggy sometimes when you get outside the infrared area , you can see it
> used in a big neolithic site here :
>
> https://vimeo.com/217058501
>
>  I had a friend who used the connect which was also fine but a bit buggy.
> Do you have a link to the stuff you did with the leap ?
> anyway yes Ill message you near the time ,
> best,
> Gus
>
> On 30 June 2017 at 10:23, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
>
> > That?s an inspiring video, thanks!
> >
> > And many points of contact. A few years back we used the Microsoft Kinect
> > to allow for hand control over sound localization, much like you appear
> to
> > be using the wii in the video. This worked well, except for the fact that
> > the user had to be positioned in a fairly confined area. The mobile
> device
> > control removes this restriction.
> >
> > Last year we used Unity and the Oculus with the LeapMotion controller to
> > create a virtual room and move ?grabable? sound sources around it. We
> tried
> > providing the audio over headphones using Unity?s capabilities, and also
> > Immergo (DBAP) over speakers. Interestingly the test subjects preferred
> the
> > external speakers.
> >
> > Yes, I have used the phone?s orientation capabilities to indicate a
> > sound?s localization, but don?t have a video of it. You can see the
> layout
> > on the phone here:
> >
> > https://www.immersivedsp.com/ <https://www.immersivedsp.com/>
> >
> > Checkboxes at the bottom select the various axes. The purple circle can
> be
> > touch-moved for two dimensions, and the white rectangle indicates
> > height.The blue circles indicate already recorded tracks that move with
> the
> > playback of the sound.
> >
> > Would love to make the London demo and if possible will contact you,
> > thanks!
> >
> >
> > > On 30 Jun 2017, at 10:39 AM, Augustine Leudar <
> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > by the way have you already done this thing pointing the phone and
> > > indicating a sound in 3d space - if so do you have a link to it ?
> > > This is a pretty crappy video of very early prototype I did a few years
> > ago
> > > - but things have moved on a lot since this :
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cmodvSM5jE
> > >
> > > On 30 June 2017 at 09:33, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
> > >
> > >> That sounds great Augustine, and fun! Certainly highlights the
> > flexibility
> > >> and capability of Max/MSP.
> > >>
> > >> Immergo uses the gyroscope of the smartphone/tablet for orientation
> > >> determination.
> > >>
> > >> The typical mode of working is to touch-move a sound source (circle)
> > >> around a representation of the sound space on the screen, for two
> > >> dimensional movement, and to tilt the device at the same time for the
> > third
> > >> dimension. You can request that all three axes are provided by phone
> > >> orientation though. So then it would be like pointing the device to
> > >> indicate the location of the sound.
> > >>
> > >> The rendering algorithm is selectable - DBAP is used for unusual
> speaker
> > >> arrangements, like an art installation ?tunnel? that we are currently
> > >> setting up. But you can select VBAP if the speakers are arranged on a
> > >> sphere. Big thank you?s to Trond Lossius and Ville Pulkki who made
> their
> > >> algorithms freely available!!
> > >>
> > >> A long overdue and pleasurable task is to use Max with Immergo.
> > Currently
> > >> using the Reaper DAW. I will keep you updated.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 11:38 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> > augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Thats pretty impressive Richard - I would definately consider this
> > system
> > >>> in future for indoor stuff. In terms of interactive and automation -
> I
> > do
> > >>> that in MaxMSP mostly - so we have things like an accelerometer on
> your
> > >>> hand and wherever you point there is a sound etc etc - you also have
> a
> > >> map
> > >>> of the speakers and pan around that map (using Dbap basically) - Ive
> > >> seen a
> > >>> lot of third party systems that do automation etc - but I am already
> > >> pretty
> > >>> happy with max for interactive 3D audio - theres nothing Ive found I
> > >>> couldnt do yet ! But I guess I could integrate max easily enough with
> > the
> > >>> AVB system.
> > >>>
> > >>> On 29 June 2017 at 22:28, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> One other thing - you mentioned wanting to move audio channels in
> real
> > >>>> time - you can move up to 32 channels around in the speaker space,
> > >> using a
> > >>>> client-server program called Immergo. The server runs on the Mac and
> > the
> > >>>> client on the Mac or a remote tablet - its web browser based, so you
> > >> type
> > >>>> in a URL. You successively select tracks and move them around a
> > >>>> representation of your speaker space. You can record and play back
> the
> > >>>> movements. The movements are realized via mixer matrices in the
> > >> speakers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So its two different approaches you can use - pre-prepared channels
> > with
> > >>>> movement incorporated (guess you would use the terminology ?bed
> > >> channels?)
> > >>>> or channels that can be moved via the mixer matrices (object audio
> > >> style),
> > >>>> where metadata containing time stamped 3D coords is recorded.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Richard.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:52 PM, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> That?s correct Augustine - just the Ethernet out the Mac. That will
> > go
> > >>>> into an Ethernet AVB compliant PoE+ switch (extreme, netgear etc).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The SPK-4Ps will be connected to other ports of the switch. You can
> > >> link
> > >>>> together switches for larger port numbers.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:25 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> > >>>> augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Richard -
> > >>>>>> So if I have this right no interface is required - just the
> ethernet
> > >>>> out of
> > >>>>>> the mac ?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 29 June 2017 at 20:49, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za <mailto:
> > >>>> r.f...@ru.ac.za>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi Augustine, to answer this question about the SPK-4Ps:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> can you daisy chain them (as discrete channels) or would you
> have
> > to
> > >>>> run
> > >>>>>>> a seperate ethernet cable to each one?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You would run a separate Ethernet cable from a switch to each
> one.
> > So
> > >>>> for
> > >>>>>>> example, running a DAW on a Mac, you would output your tracks to
> > the
> > >>>>>>> outputs made available by the Mac AVB virtual audio entity, and
> > each
> > >>>>>>> speaker would listen to one of the outputs.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You would use PoE+, not PoE, and each speaker is powered by a
> Merus
> > >>>> audio
> > >>>>>>> Eximo amplifier, providing 30W. With the Mac you could connect up
> > to
> > >>>> 120
> > >>>>>>> speakers. You also have the possibility of connecting a separate
> > >>>> passive
> > >>>>>>> speaker to the powered one, providing 2 x 15W.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Here is a bit more info:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> http://www.technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp-
> > >>>>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/ <
> > http://www
> > >> <
> > >>>> http://www/>.
> > >>>>>>> technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp- <
> > >>>> http://technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp->
> > >>>>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Richard.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 6:38 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> > >>>> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> aye - and that would kind of defeat the advantage of it - Ill
> > stick
> > >> to
> > >>>>>>>> passive for now - Ive always found active speakers a bit of a
> pain
> > >> for
> > >>>>>>>> larger site specific stuff because you have to run power to
> them
> > as
> > >>>> well
> > >>>>>>>> as audio.
> > >>>>>>>> These look like they might be OK for some stuff :
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> https://www.immersivedsp.com/products/spk-4p
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> but Im a bit unsure as to what exactly they can do - can you
> daisy
> > >>>> chain
> > >>>>>>>> them (as discrete channels) or would you have to run a seperate
> > >>>> ethernet
> > >>>>>>>> cable to each one  ?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 29 June 2017 at 17:04, Dave Hunt <
> davehuntau...@btinternet.com
> > >
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I think that you'll find that an active speaker with an AVB
> input
> > >>>> will
> > >>>>>>>>> require more current than can be supplied over an ethernet
> cable.
> > >>>>>>> Perhaps
> > >>>>>>>>> for very small speakers with a low power digital amplifier, but
> > >>>> anything
> > >>>>>>>>> decent would require mains (or DC batteries) to the speaker.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> The available current may power the DAC though.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Ciao,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Dave
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> From: Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Date: 28 June 2017 22:06:52 BDT
> > >>>>>>>>>> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent
> > >>>>>>> installations
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Richard -
> > >>>>>>>>>> There is lots of things that pan all around the room but the
> > >>>>>>> soundscape is
> > >>>>>>>>>> designed in pre production for this installation and then its
> > >> just a
> > >>>>>>>>>> multichannel file (or seperate mono ones). Other
> installations I
> > >> do
> > >>>> are
> > >>>>>>>>>> interactive and so sounds are processed and panned in realtime
> > >>>> around
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>> space depending on the sensors used etc. Certainly the AVB
> thing
> > >>>> might
> > >>>>>>> be
> > >>>>>>>>>> good for some less inhospitable environments- I especially
> like
> > >> the
> > >>>> way
> > >>>>>>>>>> power can be taken to the the speakers via the ethernet
> > cable.....
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