On 6 June 2013 12:35, Peter Lennox <p.len...@derby.ac.uk> wrote: > Just a quick one (I have to get back to the altogether-more-important > paperwork and meetings!) > > I regularly have student record, or fabricate, or combinations, of 'walk > through/ride through/other journey, sometimes using SF ic sometimes > binaural, sometimes mixtures of spot mic inserted into sound field and so > on. >
Me too - and I agree with the comments. I think the reason is perceptual as you *know* you aren't moving so that means the perceptual model matching that we do comes up with the answer "the sounds are moving". Some other cues need to go in - visual ? tactile? air movements? Dave > > One thing that is clear is that the SF mics are very susceptible to wind > noise, handling noise, vibration (bone conduction of the walker, even > trolleys with suspension and pneumatic tyres on a smooth surface). > > But another is that it is very, very difficult to get a journey recorded > in such a way that the eventual listener's perception is of gliding through > a landscape. Instead, it usually feels as though key elements of the > landscape are smoothly panned pas the stationary listening position. There > has to be something in the soundscape that perceptually 'explains' that the > listener is supposed to understand that they are moving through the > environment rather than that elements of the environment are moving pas the > perceiver, if you see what I mean > > ON a similar note, I had arranged, but the arrnagment fell through, to > dangle an SF mic below a hot air balloon as we fly over the landscape. IN > reasonably clement conditions, with a smoothly constant windspeed (no > turbulence) the effect ought to be of moving, and there should be no wind > noise. Since I am given to understand that sounds from the ground reach the > balloon often without accompanied early reflections, things tend to sound > much closer. > I'd still like to try it, but would be interested to see (hear) whether > one gets an impression of moving over the landscape, on listening. > > Cheers, back to the meeting... > Dr. Peter Lennox > > School of Technology, > Faculty of Arts, Design and Technology > University of Derby, UK > e: p.len...@derby.ac.uk > t: 01332 593155 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] > On Behalf Of Eric Carmichel > Sent: 05 June 2013 21:50 > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: [Sursound] Subsumption Architecture meets Ambisonics? > > Howdy (again), > Available Ambisonic recordings are mainly of spacially-separated, > stationary objects (e.g. musical instruments) or of a dominant moving > object (aeroplanes, helicopters). I was wondering whether anybody has > attached an Ambisonic microphone to a mobile device and then recorded the > surroundings as though the mic were the moving object. If so, are such > recordings available? Attaching an Ambisonic mic to one of Rodney Brook's > robots and then sending it through a shopping mall could create interesting > effects. Would the end listener get a sense of motion (thus inducing > dizziness) or feel he/she is following a path that seems "appropriate" > based on the echo-location of walls, people, etc. Anybody game to try? > Eric C. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130605/b8a1e4c3/attachment.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > _____________________________________________________________________ > The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and > reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was > sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. > Please direct any concerns to info...@derby.ac.uk. > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > -- As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University, so this disclaimer is redundant.... These are my own views and may or may not be shared by my employer Dave Malham Ex-Music Research Centre Department of Music The University of York Heslington York YO10 5DD UK 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130619/6aa75a8f/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
