Hi, Just wondered if you had any more information on the first and third one? I can only seem to find information for the second on on their website.
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Re: how not to advertise binaural (stevend...@mac.com) > 3. Re: how not to advertise binaural (etienne deleflie) > 4. Re: how not to advertise binaural (etienne deleflie) > 5. 3 PhD Studentships at the University of Huddersfield, England > (Pierre Alexandre Tremblay) > 6. Re: how not to advertise binaural (Peter Lennox) > 7. Re: Maximum number of output channels possible in onesingle > pc today ? (Miguel Negrao) > 8. Re: how not to advertise binaural (Iain Mott) > 9. Re: how not to advertise binaural (Paul Hodges) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:20:00 +0000 > From: Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk> > Subject: [Sursound] how not to advertise binaural > To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Message-ID: > < > capw+1zrop5cupmh7xt1vf-emt_lk8d9tk7xejkuvjz-17yj...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > For a truly cring-making demo of binaural, check out the "Virtual > Barber Shop" video at > > http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Surround_sound_vs_3D_sound-article-fand_sound_feb2013-html.aspx > . > Can't say it works much better (if at all) than any other I've heard > in 4 decades in the business. It would also be interesting to know > what people think of the demo further down the page of the crosstalk > cancelled stuff that's supposed to work on laptops - it's barely > perceivable as stereo on my MacBook Pro. > > Dave > > -- > As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University, so this > disclaimer is redundant.... > > > These are my own views and may or may not be shared by my employer > > Dave Malham > Ex-Music Research Centre > Department of Music > The University of York > Heslington > York YO10 5DD > UK > > 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:09:41 +0000 > From: stevend...@mac.com > Subject: Re: [Sursound] how not to advertise binaural > To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Message-ID: <5de1043d-55c3-4e08-ae68-c6cc03af1...@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > To me using two different headphones, open-back electrostatics and > Etymotic in-ear buds, both gave a through the head 1 dimensional sound > stage. This in spite of the narrative that was clearly intended to steer > one into believing the sound stage was 3 dimensional. So, din't work for > me. Thought the whisper in the ear at the end kind of worked. The bag over > the head effect near the beginning sounded more like having my head under > running water. > > Steve > > On 31 Jan 2013, at 17:20, Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk> wrote: > > > For a truly cring-making demo of binaural, check out the "Virtual > > Barber Shop" video at > > > http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Surround_sound_vs_3D_sound-article-fand_sound_feb2013-html.aspx > . > > Can't say it works much better (if at all) than any other I've heard > > in 4 decades in the business. It would also be interesting to know > > what people think of the demo further down the page of the crosstalk > > cancelled stuff that's supposed to work on laptops - it's barely > > perceivable as stereo on my MacBook Pro. > > > > Dave > > > > -- > > As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University, so this > > disclaimer is redundant.... > > > > > > These are my own views and may or may not be shared by my employer > > > > Dave Malham > > Ex-Music Research Centre > > Department of Music > > The University of York > > Heslington > > York YO10 5DD > > UK > > > > 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:39:33 +1100 > From: etienne deleflie <edelef...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] how not to advertise binaural > To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Message-ID: > <CAMri_WyzHdKuw8k4UEB2UzpvzgbOz-tANYMatva5UdCL= > kp...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > What's interesting is that the demo is actually totally cheating. It relies > on cognitive cues, perhaps even more than on presenting realistic stimuli. > It does this in two ways: > > Firstly, it extensively uses symbolism, through language, to create > expectations of spatial experience... "now over here on the left ... now on > the right", and "these scissors are very close to your head ...". etc. > > Secondly, it relies on experience-based referential cues. The successful > perception of distance, in the sound of the scissors, can be at least > partly (if not mostly) attributable to the fact that we can only hear > scissors if they are close to our ears. When you hear scissors, you always > get an impression of proximity. > > Begault (2000) makes this point in his text "3D sound for virtual reality > and multimedia" ... and funnily enough, he speaks specifically of 3D demos > where there is "the sound of scissors cutting hair, as if very near your > ear." !!! (Page 29) ... so, as far as binaural demos goes, I'm going to > call the sound of scissors "the oldest trick in the book" (its been around > at least 12 years!) > > The other examples he gives are the sound of lighting a cigarette and > drinking a glass of water. It is also for this reason that any > demonstration that includes whispering, to demonstrate ability to create > cues of proximity, should also be treated as somewhat bogus. > > Alternatively, for the spatial music composer, if the composer would like > to create a sense of proximity in space they dont need to encode sounds > using any particular spatialisation technology, they just need to use the > sounds that we only hear in proximity ... such as whispering, scissors, > matches and drinking a glass of water! > > Actually, to my mind, this very point is one of the big issues with the > strategy of 'mimicking reality' to create realistic perceptions of space. > The cognitive dimension is largely ignored. And so really ... the 'oldest > trick in the book' is perhaps more of a rather sensible strategy. Although > once you try to encode a sound that is not typically heard near the ears, > then you are stuffed. > > Etienne > > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk> > wrote: > > > For a truly cring-making demo of binaural, check out the "Virtual > > Barber Shop" video at > > > > > http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Surround_sound_vs_3D_sound-article-fand_sound_feb2013-html.aspx > > . > > Can't say it works much better (if at all) than any other I've heard > > in 4 decades in the business. It would also be interesting to know > > what people think of the demo further down the page of the crosstalk > > cancelled stuff that's supposed to work on laptops - it's barely > > perceivable as stereo on my MacBook Pro. > > > > Dave > > > > -- > > As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University, so this > > disclaimer is redundant.... > > > > > > These are my own views and may or may not be shared by my employer > > > > Dave Malham > > Ex-Music Research Centre > > Department of Music > > The University of York > > Heslington > > York YO10 5DD > > UK > > > > 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > > > > -- > http://etiennedeleflie.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130201/e78873d7/attachment.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:41:14 +1100 > From: etienne deleflie <edelef...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] how not to advertise binaural > To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Message-ID: > < > camri_wy_nnvksw6xtjpuizhjhwwwawzaovs-onvdly8mg86...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > ah yes, Steve had already made a similar point. > > I have to say that the effect is reasonable, to my ears. > > Etienne > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:09 AM, <stevend...@mac.com> wrote: > > > To me using two different headphones, open-back electrostatics and > > Etymotic in-ear buds, both gave a through the head 1 dimensional sound > > stage. This in spite of the narrative that was clearly intended to steer > > one into believing the sound stage was 3 dimensional. So, din't work for > > me. Thought the whisper in the ear at the end kind of worked. The bag > over > > the head effect near the beginning sounded more like having my head under > > running water. > > > > Steve > > > > On 31 Jan 2013, at 17:20, Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > > For a truly cring-making demo of binaural, check out the "Virtual > > > Barber Shop" video at > > > > > > http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Surround_sound_vs_3D_sound-article-fand_sound_feb2013-html.aspx > > . > > > Can't say it works much better (if at all) than any other I've heard > > > in 4 decades in the business. It would also be interesting to know > > > what people think of the demo further down the page of the crosstalk > > > cancelled stuff that's supposed to work on laptops - it's barely > > > perceivable as stereo on my MacBook Pro. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > -- > > > As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University, so this > > > disclaimer is redundant.... > > > > > > > > > These are my own views and may or may not be shared by my employer > > > > > > Dave Malham > > > Ex-Music Research Centre > > > Department of Music > > > The University of York > > > Heslington > > > York YO10 5DD > > > UK > > > > > > 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sursound mailing list > > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > > > > -- > http://etiennedeleflie.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130201/00ff21e9/attachment.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:59:42 +0000 > From: Pierre Alexandre Tremblay <tremb...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Sursound] 3 PhD Studentships at the University of > Huddersfield, England > To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Message-ID: <19072834-128b-4d06-ad9e-f6a233b1c...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear all > > I think this might interest some of you. Beware that the first of the > three is limited to AHRC's admissibility criteria, which has something to > do with being a UK resident - make sure to check the link in the brief. > > Good luck to all. > > pa > > > We have three funded PhD studentships starting in October 2013 at the > University of Huddersfield, England. > > > > 1. AHRC funded studentship of ?13,590 pa + fees (any > music/performance/technology/ea discipline) > > 2. Centre for Research in New Music PhD in association with the > Huddersfield Contemporary Music Festival ?5,000 pa + fees + ?750 pa > research expenses (composer) > > 3. Centre for Research in New Music PhD in association with Sound and > Music : British Music Collection Scholarship ?5,000 pa + fees + ?750 pa > research expenses (composer or musicologist) > > > > Further details are on the attached PDF. > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Huddersfield_PhD Scholarships_2013.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 155848 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130201/4fca5cf4/attachment.pdf > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:34:09 +0000 > From: Peter Lennox <p.len...@derby.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] how not to advertise binaural > To: 'Surround Sound discussion group' <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Message-ID: > < > 28f33490c302424e98cc6dc2531b2048ceacf65...@mkt-mbx01.university.ds.derby.ac.uk > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > 1983 was the first binaural haircut I heard. It was billed as > "Holophonics", I think, but really it was binaural - I think (glad to be > corrected if anyone knows) > > Dr. Peter Lennox > > School of Technology, > Faculty of Arts, Design and Technology > University of Derby, UK > e: p.len...@derby.ac.uk > t: 01332 593155 > > -----Original Message----- > From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] > On Behalf Of etienne deleflie > Sent: 01 February 2013 00:40 > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] how not to advertise binaural > > What's interesting is that the demo is actually totally cheating. It > relies on cognitive cues, perhaps even more than on presenting realistic > stimuli. > It does this in two ways: > > Firstly, it extensively uses symbolism, through language, to create > expectations of spatial experience... "now over here on the left ... now on > the right", and "these scissors are very close to your head ...". etc. > > Secondly, it relies on experience-based referential cues. The successful > perception of distance, in the sound of the scissors, can be at least > partly (if not mostly) attributable to the fact that we can only hear > scissors if they are close to our ears. When you hear scissors, you always > get an impression of proximity. > > Begault (2000) makes this point in his text "3D sound for virtual reality > and multimedia" ... and funnily enough, he speaks specifically of 3D demos > where there is "the sound of scissors cutting hair, as if very near your > ear." !!! (Page 29) ... so, as far as binaural demos goes, I'm going to > call the sound of scissors "the oldest trick in the book" (its been around > at least 12 years!) > > The other examples he gives are the sound of lighting a cigarette and > drinking a glass of water. It is also for this reason that any > demonstration that includes whispering, to demonstrate ability to create > cues of proximity, should also be treated as somewhat bogus. > > Alternatively, for the spatial music composer, if the composer would like > to create a sense of proximity in space they dont need to encode sounds > using any particular spatialisation technology, they just need to use the > sounds that we only hear in proximity ... such as whispering, scissors, > matches and drinking a glass of water! > > Actually, to my mind, this very point is one of the big issues with the > strategy of 'mimicking reality' to create realistic perceptions of space. > The cognitive dimension is largely ignored. And so really ... the 'oldest > trick in the book' is perhaps more of a rather sensible strategy. Although > once you try to encode a sound that is not typically heard near the ears, > then you are stuffed. > > Etienne > > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk> > wrote: > > > For a truly cring-making demo of binaural, check out the "Virtual > > Barber Shop" video at > > > > http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Surround_sound_vs_3D_sound-article- > > fand_sound_feb2013-html.aspx > > . > > Can't say it works much better (if at all) than any other I've heard > > in 4 decades in the business. It would also be interesting to know > > what people think of the demo further down the page of the crosstalk > > cancelled stuff that's supposed to work on laptops - it's barely > > perceivable as stereo on my MacBook Pro. > > > > Dave > > > > -- > > As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University, so this > > disclaimer is redundant.... > > > > > > These are my own views and may or may not be shared by my employer > > > > Dave Malham > > Ex-Music Research Centre > > Department of Music > > The University of York > > Heslington > > York YO10 5DD > > UK > > > > 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > > > > -- > http://etiennedeleflie.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130201/e78873d7/attachment.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > _____________________________________________________________________ > The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and > reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was > sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. > Please direct any concerns to info...@derby.ac.uk. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:41:26 +0000 > From: Miguel Negrao <miguel.negrao-li...@friendlyvirus.org> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Maximum number of output channels possible in > onesingle pc today ? > To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Message-ID: <00e03a08-4577-4ed4-8284-b30c62be9...@friendlyvirus.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > A 25/01/2013, ?s 16:10, Charlie Richmond escreveu: > > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:01 AM, John Leonard <j...@johnleonard.co.uk > >wrote: > > > >> If you mean the SunRize Indistries AD512, that was track-count, rather > >> than outputs, wasn't it? Or was there an add-on? Mine was only two > channels > >> in and out. > >> > > > > Ah yes, SunRize Industries... > > > > They did come out with two multichannel extenders, although I'm not sure > if > > the last one was 16 or 12 channels. Also, we only saw them in prototype > > form at their offices in silicon valley so not really sure how much > market > > penetration they had. I remember when they ceased operation and the > > principal said he was being hired to work as a developer for a database > > company (Lyris?) making about 10 times as much as he was at SunRize so he > > could not be persuaded to keep on... > > > > Charlie > > Very interesting stuff. This page says it was possible to go up to 15 > channels with multiple cards: > http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=1292 > > best, > Miguel > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:09:52 -0200 > From: Iain Mott <m...@reverberant.com> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] how not to advertise binaural > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Message-ID: <1359720592.2304.6.camel@espelho> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Here's my binaural haircut from 1999/2000: > > http://reverberant.com/cl/video.htm > > Iain > > > Em Sex, 2013-02-01 ?s 11:34 +0000, Peter Lennox escreveu: > > 1983 was the first binaural haircut I heard. It was billed as > "Holophonics", I think, but really it was binaural - I think (glad to be > corrected if anyone knows) > > > > Dr. Peter Lennox > > > > School of Technology, > > Faculty of Arts, Design and Technology > > University of Derby, UK > > e: p.len...@derby.ac.uk > > t: 01332 593155 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [mailto: > sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of etienne deleflie > > Sent: 01 February 2013 00:40 > > To: Surround Sound discussion group > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] how not to advertise binaural > > > > What's interesting is that the demo is actually totally cheating. It > relies on cognitive cues, perhaps even more than on presenting realistic > stimuli. > > It does this in two ways: > > > > Firstly, it extensively uses symbolism, through language, to create > expectations of spatial experience... "now over here on the left ... now on > the right", and "these scissors are very close to your head ...". etc. > > > > Secondly, it relies on experience-based referential cues. The successful > perception of distance, in the sound of the scissors, can be at least > partly (if not mostly) attributable to the fact that we can only hear > scissors if they are close to our ears. When you hear scissors, you always > get an impression of proximity. > > > > Begault (2000) makes this point in his text "3D sound for virtual > reality and multimedia" ... and funnily enough, he speaks specifically of > 3D demos where there is "the sound of scissors cutting hair, as if very > near your ear." !!! (Page 29) ... so, as far as binaural demos goes, I'm > going to call the sound of scissors "the oldest trick in the book" (its > been around at least 12 years!) > > > > The other examples he gives are the sound of lighting a cigarette and > drinking a glass of water. It is also for this reason that any > demonstration that includes whispering, to demonstrate ability to create > cues of proximity, should also be treated as somewhat bogus. > > > > Alternatively, for the spatial music composer, if the composer would > like to create a sense of proximity in space they dont need to encode > sounds using any particular spatialisation technology, they just need to > use the sounds that we only hear in proximity ... such as whispering, > scissors, matches and drinking a glass of water! > > > > Actually, to my mind, this very point is one of the big issues with the > strategy of 'mimicking reality' to create realistic perceptions of space. > > The cognitive dimension is largely ignored. And so really ... the > 'oldest trick in the book' is perhaps more of a rather sensible strategy. > Although once you try to encode a sound that is not typically heard near > the ears, then you are stuffed. > > > > Etienne > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk> > wrote: > > > > > For a truly cring-making demo of binaural, check out the "Virtual > > > Barber Shop" video at > > > > > > http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Surround_sound_vs_3D_sound-article- > > > fand_sound_feb2013-html.aspx > > > . > > > Can't say it works much better (if at all) than any other I've heard > > > in 4 decades in the business. It would also be interesting to know > > > what people think of the demo further down the page of the crosstalk > > > cancelled stuff that's supposed to work on laptops - it's barely > > > perceivable as stereo on my MacBook Pro. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > -- > > > As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University, so this > > > disclaimer is redundant.... > > > > > > > > > These are my own views and may or may not be shared by my employer > > > > > > Dave Malham > > > Ex-Music Research Centre > > > Department of Music > > > The University of York > > > Heslington > > > York YO10 5DD > > > UK > > > > > > 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sursound mailing list > > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://etiennedeleflie.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130201/e78873d7/attachment.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and > reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was > sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. > Please direct any concerns to info...@derby.ac.uk. > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:53:45 +0000 > From: Paul Hodges <pwh-surro...@cassland.org> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] how not to advertise binaural > To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Message-ID: > <7dbc2281a02f14baaf901...@trials-133.octo-domain.oncology.ox.ac.uk > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > --On 31 January 2013 17:20 +0000 Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk> > wrote: > > > For a truly cring-making demo of binaural, check out the "Virtual > > Barber Shop" video at > > http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Surround_sound_vs_3D_sound-article > > -fand_sound_feb2013-html.aspx. Can't say it works much better (if at > > all) than any other I've heard in 4 decades in the business. > > Cringe-making for sure; but for me it was the most convincing full > surround from headphones that I've heard. In particular I had none of > the front/back ambiguity that I associate with these things, in spite > of the fact that there were no verbal clues given for that (just for > left and right). I suspect that the acoustic of the room being very > similar to that of where I'm sitting helped, especially with the > illusion of distance. > > Paul > > -- > Paul Hodges > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > End of Sursound Digest, Vol 55, Issue 1 > *************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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