On 4/13/2020 11:47 AM, NFN Smith wrote:
Frog wrote:
Some you have given me much help with an earlier thread relating to
this the subject of this message...Subject: Not able to send
messages.
Here is a list of things I must learn about to make the change from
Verizon to AOL> ISP.
I now I want to continue using SeaMonkey in the same manner as I did
while connected to Verizon.
All it is is a matter of adding an additional account to your current
configs. Seamonkey has no difficulties with connecting with multiple
accounts and multiple providers.
All that's necessary is File -> New -> Account, and then follow the
prompts of the account setup wizard, and put in the necessary settings
for AOL. Don't touch your Verizon account at all.
Reading between the lines, it sounds like you're a POP user. It's now
pretty common that providers presume IMAP, to allow for access from
multiple devices (and I think there may be a few providers that don't
even offer POP), but if you're using a single computer, there's no
reason that you can't continue to use POP, if you prefer it.
I'm not aware of any trickiness with AOL's setups. I do know that with
Gmail, there's their oAUTH system for authentication, and where you have
to configure Gmail for "less secure", because Seamonkey doesn't do
oAUTH. In a similar way there's a growing number of providers that are
doing some form of multi-factor authentication. I know that my own
provider requires a setup of a separate password to use in an external
mail client -- it's not the same password used for login at their web
site. I'm guessing that AOL doesn't do that, but I could be wrong.
I know that I must take steps to configure things so that I continue
to have access to old Verizon messages, while adding new AOL messages
to this system (if that is possible).
Once you have the AOL connection working, all your Verizon messages are
still there, assuming that you're using POP. At that point, you can
drag-and-drop all the messages, either into your AOL account, or into
Local Folders. If your Verizon account is IMAP, then you should
drag-and-drop all your messages. If the AOL account is IMAP, then
dragging into AOL will cause all your messages to be uploaded to AOL's
server. If you move everything to Local Folders, then all the content
will be stored only on your local hard drive.
If your Verizon connection is POP, all your messages are there, and you
simply leave the Verizon account there (although you will want to adjust
the server settings for that account, so that Seamonkey isn't
automatically checking for new messages).
For what it's worth, in my own setups, I have content in my Local
Folders dating back close to 25 years, on accounts that were discarded
long ago, including on proprietary systems, where I was able to import
messages into Seamonkey.
For sure, I don't want to lose anything I previously saved on my
computer that originated via the Verizon days.
Just to be on the safe side, it is worth getting a backup of all your
data, but that's something that you should be doing as a part of your
routine backups. In Windows, Seamonkey's data is in
%APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey . On my own system, I make sure that folder
is included in my daily backups, but before I'm doing something with
configurations (especially if I'm working at file/folder level), I make
sure I copy all that data to somewhere else on the computer.
I believe there will be a need to reconfigure MailWasher to work with
AOL. This MailWasher software permits me to weed out unwanted
messages prior to downloading messages to my computer...I have found
this software helps to keep from introducing virus and malware
software on my computer.
There might be a tweak in your settings for MailWasher, where you need
to tell it about AOL's server.
However, I'm not convinced that you need MailWasher, and for more than
one reason. The primary thing is that if you're moving to a new mail
address, spammers mostly won't know about the new address, and if you're
careful about not broadcasting your address to where the spammers can
pick it up, you may not see a lot of spam for MailWasher to handle.
Additionally, Seamonkey has native spam-handling capacity, in the same
way that Thunderbird does.
The Mozilla spam-handling tools may not be as robust as I would like but
they do work. That won't prevent download, but a message recognized as
spam will be shunted to the Junk folder, where it can be easily
discarded, in the same way that you empty trash. However, any
user-trained filter needs a measure of training, and you have to watch
for both false positives and false negatives, and make corrections.
There's several ways to do that, but one way is right-clicking on a
message in a folder, and selecting Mark -> either "As Junk" or "As Not
Junk", and subsequent messages that are similar will be treated the same
way.
Even if a message you receive is a vector for malware, it is still safe
to interact with inside Seamonkey, as long as you don't click on a link,
or open an attachment. Plus, for messages that have forged headers that
purport to be from somebody you know (at least the user name -- the
accompanying address is almost always forged), it's still safe to mark
as junk, because the filter looks at the entire message content
(headers, body and attachments), not just a From: or a Subject: line.
I haven't seen how MailWasher works. I don't believe that it prevents
download, and you really don't want to prevent it from downloading,
because until a message is downloaded, any kind of filtering tool
(whether Seamonkey, Mailwasher or anything else) can't evaluate the full
content of the message, before deciding what to do with it. I suppose
it's possible that Mailwasher can evaluate the content of a message on a
server, but if they do, it's something that would have to be done with
IMAP, and not possible with POP. I may be wrong, but I doubt that
they're doing that. Furthermore, you really don't want a tool doing a
silent discard of suspected junk. Although tuning can minimize the
number of false positives, the number is still above zero, and you
really don't want a legitimate message being discarded without you
knowing about it (and having the option for correcting an erroneous
judgement).
In any case, what you do with client-side filtering is really a second
echelon tool. The more effective spam blocking is done at server level.
I have no idea of what AOL uses, but it's likely that if you go to their
web client, there's an option for designating a message as Junk or
Non-Junk. The difference between client-level marking and server-level
marking is that on the server side, that can inform the server of how
you want a message treated. A lot of servers use a tool called
SpamAssassin (or similar tool) which is an extensive set of weighted
rules, of evaluating whether something might be spam or not. If a
message has a score above a certain threshold, it will evaluate as
"possible spam", where it may get dropped into a spam folder. If it's a
false positive, marking as "not spam", will lower the score, based on
your preferences. If a message has a score at a higher threshold, that
may be enough to cause the server to reject delivery entirely, where you
will never see the message.
In any case, if you get a spam message, you really want to process it on
the server side first, before doing any interaction with a client level
tool. In other words, when you see spam, go log into the web UI, and
mark as spam there, then do whatever you want to do with the message at
client level (for future handling if something gets past the server).
One item of caution -- if you have user-tunable spam handling on the
server side, you do want to make periodic checks of server, just to make
sure that the server dropping any false positives into a spam folder.
This is especially important if you're using POP, or you have IMAP
configs that don't mirror a Spam folder to your client.
One other thing about spam handling -- I strongly encourage you to
consider not trying to consolidate everything into a single mailbox. If
you do online purchasing, get a mailbox on a free provider somewhere
(whether AOL or somebody else), and where you use that address for that
kind of activity. Keep your personal mail and your commercial mail
separate. I've found that there's a lot of online businesses that
automatically sign you up for their marketing mailing lists when you
make a purchase, and if they do give you an option of opting out when
you make your purchase (and it seems that many don't), it's buried very
deeply in the process of the purchasing mechanics, where it's hard to find.
For me personally, even though I do a paid account for my personal
email, I have a Yahoo address that I use when making a purchase. Most of
the time, I only look at my Yahoo mail if I'm expecting (e.g. a
purchasing confirmation), and if a vendor signs me up for their
marketing, I won't see it quickly. Yes, I will opt out when given the
opportunity (a lot of vendors do their mailing lists through services
such as MailChimp or ConstantContact), but at least all that garbage
goes to an account that I don't check regularly, and as a result, it
doesn't clutter up my primary mail.
Smith
On 4/13/2020 11:47 AM, NFN Smith wrote:
> Frog wrote:
>> Some you have given me much help with an earlier thread relating to
>> this, the subject of this message...Subject: Not able to send
>> messages.
>>
>> Here is a list of things I must learn about to make the change from
>> Verizon to AOL> ISP.
>>
>> I now I want to continue using SeaMonkey in the same manner as I did
>> while connected to Verizon.
Hello,
I'm sorry for the delay in getting back to you...thanks for your
detailed help message (much appreciated).
I am in the middle of one huge computer mess. Let me give you a quick
run-down about what I am attempting to achieve and the problems I am
currently facing.
My goal:
---I continue to have my old Verizon email address after having to move
from Verizon to AOL.
---I thought I had made all of the changes required to make this ISP
move...evidentially I was wrong. One evening I suddenly could not send
messages and the next day I could not download messages. I received a
server timed out message when I attempted to take either of these
actions. I am now attempting to set up my system as follows:
Use SeaMonkey for my incoming and outgoing mail from AOL ( not having
any connection with Verizon. Thus far I have successfully received and
sent messages via AOL (using AOL mail software).
I then wanted to set up my message flow as follows:
I wanted to use a program named MailWasher to see message subject lines
while they were in my AOL mailbox and then wash (delete) any unwanted
messages from my AOL account. I succeeded in making this MailWasher
connection happen.
I next downloaded my "washed" messages to my local AOL mail account...I
got this to work. I, however, do not like the AOL mail page (too busy
and cluttered with other things). I really want my AOL messages to
download to my SeaMonkey software...this is where I am having all kinds
of problems. I have tried to set up an AOL account and all of my
attempts have failed. I continually received a message as the one I
received from Verizon...server has timed out.
Somehow, during my attempts to make SeaMonkey download my AOL messages,
I have lost all of what was in my SeaMonkey mail files. Although I can
live with this loss, I now have a problem with reading messages as I
posted to this group (see the earlier message I sent on this subject).
Here is my flow chart of what I just stated above:
Message at AOL ISP >>> Message title(s) request from me (MailWasher) to
AOL >>> Message titles sent to me in response to my request >>> Message
sent to AOL once my mail has been washed of unwanted messages" >>>
unwanted messages are removed from my AOL mail box >>> Messages are then
downloaded to my AOL mail software --- but I'm trying to make them
download to SeaMonkey.
Now to the problems I am attempting to solve:
I can have SeaMonkey completely turned off and the Task Manager
indicates that it is active. Why?
I have not been able to set up a workable account in SeaMonkey for
downloading my AOL mail.
I can see the subject lines of messages on this group but for unknown
reasons I can't open these messages.
Now for a little more of what I am thinking about doing at this
point...deleting SeaMonkey and starting over. I will copy the existing
SeaMonkey Profile etc. (now on my E drive) to a new Folder (also on my E
drive) named Old SeaMonkey. I would next delete SeaMonkey from my system
and then add a newly downloaded copy of SeaMonkey on my system.
Is that task easier said than done? I'm sure there must be step by step
instructions on the internet some place.
I currently have four accounts set up in SeaMonkey as follows:
my old Verizon account (identified as Default) that is titled with my
old Verizon email address (the same email address that is in my new AOL
address)...the second account is titled AOL Mail Account (and this is
the account that does not work)...the third account is titled
Newsgroups...and another account named Local Folders (an account that
doesn't seem like an account to me). I plan under the new setup to make
the AOL Mail Account my new Default account in the new SeaMonkey setup.
Any thoughts on any of the above would be very much welcomed.
Frog
P.S. I am very sorry NFN Smith for the delayed response to your
message...I was just able today to see/read your message using
Thunderbird software.
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