On 10/03/2013 03:08 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 10/03/2013 12:52 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>> NoOp wrote:
>>>> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101
>>>> Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21
>>>>
>>>> Today when I went to <http://news.yahoo.com/> I noticed that the site
>>>> picked up my geo location (accurately BTW).
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately this should _not_ have happened as at the time I had:
>>>> 1. About:config: geo.enable=false (this should turn off geolocation)
>>>> 2. Permissions: Share Location=always ask (with geolocation on, I should
>>>> receive a prompt asking if I want to let the site use geolocation)
>>>>
>>>> So I set Permissions: Share Location=Block, cleared cache (memory &
>>>> disk/all), cleared with 'Clear Private Data - all except passwords),
>>>> opened new browser window & again tried news.yahoo.com. Again the site
>>>> is showing my geolocation.
>>>>
>>>> I next went to <http://browserspy.dk/> scrolled down & clicked on
>>>> Geolocation & sure enough, geolocation is _enabled_.
>>>>
>>>> I can't locate an open bug of this type on:
>>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=geolocation>
>>>>
>>>> So before I open a bug report, can anyone else verify?
>>>
>>> It guessed my location pretty accurately too (the next town over), but
>>> based on the guess I'm thinking it looked up my IP address and went from
>>> there. I've seen the same thing on google.com and weather.com, which
>>> routinely guess nearby towns instead of my own. For their purposes,
>>> close enough.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for checking. Do you have about:config geo.enable=false ?
> 
> Just turned it off, cleared cached and cookies, and revisited the yahoo 
> site. It guessed the same nearby town. Then I visited browserspy and 
> chose Geolocation, and it also used my IP address to guess my zip code. 
> Among other things, it said:
>       Geolocation supported in browser?  Yes
>       ...
>       Geolocation Based Map  [blank]
>       Geolocation Debug Console  Document ready
>         Browser is compatible
>         Loading the map... done
> 
>> If so, then I'll file a bug report as I consider this to be a bug &
>> potential security issue.
>>
>> <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/geolocation>
>> <quote>
>> How do I turn off Location-Aware Browsing permanently?
>>
>> Location-Aware Browsing is always opt-in in SeaMonkey 2.0. No location
>> information is ever sent without your permission. If you wish to disable
>> the feature completely, please follow this set of steps:
>>
>>      In the URL bar, type about:config
>>      Type geo.enabled
>>      Double click on the geo.enabled preference
>>      Location-Aware Browsing is now disabled
>> </quote>
> 
> Even if the browser sends no specific location info, it must send the IP 
> address, and that's nearly as good.
> 

Thanks Paul (and Jim). My mistake & misunderstanding of geolocation. I
was mistaking the weather info etc as geolocation, but of course those
are simply from the IP. As Jim pointed out, when a site want's to use
geolocation & geo.enabled=true, you do get a geo popup. I did the same
on Google Maps by setting to 'true' and then asking for directions with
'My Location'. And of course I get the geo popup.

Sorry for the noise.


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