Dumb question. There were at least a couple of comments early in the thread 
about “we should have an ID that says this”. I hacked one together, basically 
an updated version of the email.

(1) are we interested enough to actually have a draft, or does it just seem 
cute?
(2) if we’re interested enough to have a draft, what working group?
(3) if we’re interested enough to have a draft, it seems to me that I should 
have 1-3 co-authors, from SP, enterprise, and perhaps CDN environments, that 
can comment with some authority about the process and considerations in their 
environments. I would want the co-authors to add text as they deem it 
appropriate.

See attached.

Attachment: transition.xml
Description: XML document




IPv6 Operations                                                 F. Baker
Internet-Draft                                             Cisco Systems
Intended status: Standards Track                          March 31, 2015
Expires: October 2, 2015


                Ruminations on the IPv4->IPv6 Transition
              draft-baker-v6ops-transition-ruminations-00

Abstract

   This note present's the author's perspective on the transition.

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Table of Contents

   1.  Introduction  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   2
   2.  Transition Technologies: IPv4 as a Service  . . . . . . . . .   3
   3.  Steps in the transition . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4
     3.1.  IPv4-only network . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4
     3.2.  IPv4 with scattered IPv6 experiments  . . . . . . . . . .   4
     3.3.  IPv4+non-native IPv6, translated or overlay (e.g., as a
           service)  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4
     3.4.  IPv4+IPv6 native dual stack network . . . . . . . . . . .   4
     3.5.  IPv6+non-native IPv4, translated or overlay (e.g., as a
           service)  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4
     3.6.  IPv6 with scattered legacy IPv4 . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
     3.7.  IPv6-only . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
   4.  Ruminations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
   5.  IANA Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
   6.  Security Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
   7.  Privacy Considerations  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
   8.  Acknowledgements  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
   9.  Informative References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
   Appendix A.  Change Log . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7
   Author's Address  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7

1.  Introduction

   Seven years after its writing, the Basic Transition Mechanisms for
   IPv6 Hosts and Routers [RFC4213], seems a little naive.  The model
   proposed was that the Internet, and any of its component networks,
   would go through three essential phases:

   1.  IPv4-only network

   2.  IPv4+IPv6 Dual Stack network

   3.  IPv6-only Network

   In fairness, the authors were trying to describe the transition in
   broad terms, so the naivete is excusable.  However, reality appears
   to be more like:

   1.  IPv4-only network

   2.  IPv4 with lab experiments or isolated IPv6 networks without
       IPv6-capable services

   3.  IPv4 with in some combination of overlay and native IPv6
       deployment




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   4.  IPv4+IPv6 (native) dual stack network

   5.  IPv6+IPv4 non-native, translated or overlay (e.g., as a service)

   6.  IPv6 with little bits of IPv4 here and there

   7.  IPv6-only

   Even that is to some extent naive; only the smallest of networks can
   change overnight.  Real networks change in a piecemeal fashion.  So
   in a network that is somewhere in the process of transition probably
   has components in each of those phases.

2.  Transition Technologies: IPv4 as a Service

   There are a variety of transition technologies available in either
   commerical or open source implementation.  The following is a fairly
   comprehensive list, but may be partial.

   o  464XLAT: Combination of Stateful and Stateless Translation
      [RFC6877]

   o  Translation between IPv4 and a configured native IPv6 address
      ([I-D.ietf-v6ops-siit-dc] [I-D.ietf-v6ops-siit-dc-2xlat]
      [I-D.anderson-v6ops-siit-eam])

   o  Mapping of Address and Port with Encapsulation (MAP)
      [I-D.ietf-softwire-map]

   o  Mapping of Address and Port using Double Translation (MAP-T)
      [I-D.ietf-softwire-map-t]

   o  Stateless Single Translation to an IPv4-embedded IPv6 Address
      ([RFC6145])

   o  Stateful Single Translation to an IPv6 Address ([RFC6146])

   o  Dual-Stack Lite Broadband Deployments Following IPv4 Exhaustion
      [RFC6333]

   o  Lightweight 4over6: An Extension to the DS-Lite Architecture
      [I-D.ietf-softwire-lw4over6]

   o  LISP (4 over 6, [I-D.ietf-lisp-introduction])







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3.  Steps in the transition

   As noted in Section 1, the network appears to go through about seven
   steps or phases.

3.1.  IPv4-only network

   The first step is the existing IPv4 Internet.

3.2.  IPv4 with scattered IPv6 experiments

   With the publication of the original IPv6 Specification [RFC1883],
   and especially with its successor [RFC2460], researchers started
   learning about the technology.  On March 30 1995, they set up the
   first interconnection between two independent IPv6 implementations,
   between sipper.pa-x.dec.com and ottawa.inria.fr.  Several academic
   and research networks such as Renater, HEANET, and Internet2,
   deployed the technology in a trial mode.

   Many networks continue to kick the tires, lacking a business
   requirement to go to the next step.

3.3.  IPv4+non-native IPv6, translated or overlay (e.g., as a service)

   The third phase is wider trial deployment.  This often involves IPv6/
   IPv4 tunnels, local network deployment, 6rd [RFC5569], or ISATAP
   [RFC5214].

3.4.  IPv4+IPv6 native dual stack network

   The fourth step is Dual Stack deployment.  This calls for careful
   definition, as there are cheap versions that stop at "we turned them
   both on, but of course IPv4 is the one we depend on".  In a Dual
   Stack deployment, either protocol is useful and usable for any
   purpose; it is feasible to turn IPv4 off for any supported service.
   It is retained because of specific applications, equipment, or
   constituencies that would object.

3.5.  IPv6+non-native IPv4, translated or overlay (e.g., as a service)

   The network begins to overcome the objections, and turn IPv4 off for
   some set of equipment or applications.  Content exists that must be
   reached on IPv4-only networks including the general Internet, and not
   all services within the network may be fully IPv6-capable.  For that
   reason, IPv4 must be maintained.  But to reduce costs or to manage
   the shrinking IPv4 address space, IPv4 is carried via translation or
   encapsulation, using technologies such as those mentioned in
   Section 2.



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3.6.  IPv6 with scattered legacy IPv4

   As IPv6 proves viable, the overlay or translation system gets turned
   off.  At this point, IPv4 assumes a legacy status, comparable to
   AppleTalk or DECNet.

3.7.  IPv6-only

   IPv4 has been turned off everywhere.  It is cold in hell, and some IT
   managers are having it pried out of their cold, dead hands.

4.  Ruminations

   The steps in Section 3 fall broadly into three groups: IPv4 networks,
   perhaps with some toys, IPv6 networks with mitigations for issues
   related to IPv4, and the Dual Stack Network.  What may not be obvious
   is that the transition from IPv4 with trial IPv6 deployment
   (Section 3.3) to IPv6 with legacy IPv4 deployment (Section 3.6) has a
   choice: one can go through Dual Stack (Section 3.4) or Simulated Dual
   Stack (Section 3.5) phases, but there is no need to go through both.
   Dual Stack will be easier, in the sense that for an instant both
   technologies are feasible and then IPv4 is turned off.  However, it
   may be more expensive.  We are beginning to see networks opt for IPv6
   with an IPv4 translation or overlay, whatever problems that may
   bring.

5.  IANA Considerations

   This memo asks the IANA for no new parameters.

6.  Security Considerations

   What - are my insecurities showing?

7.  Privacy Considerations

   Privacy was not considered in the writing of this memo.

8.  Acknowledgements

9.  Informative References

   [I-D.anderson-v6ops-siit-eam]
              tore, t., "Explicit Address Mappings for Stateless IP/ICMP
              Translation", draft-anderson-v6ops-siit-eam-03 (work in
              progress), January 2015.





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   [I-D.ietf-lisp-introduction]
              Cabellos-Aparicio, A. and D. Saucez, "An Architectural
              Introduction to the Locator/ID Separation Protocol
              (LISP)", draft-ietf-lisp-introduction-12 (work in
              progress), February 2015.

   [I-D.ietf-softwire-lw4over6]
              Cui, Y., Qiong, Q., Boucadair, M., Tsou, T., Lee, Y., and
              I. Farrer, "Lightweight 4over6: An Extension to the DS-
              Lite Architecture", draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-13 (work
              in progress), November 2014.

   [I-D.ietf-softwire-map-t]
              Li, X., Bao, C., Dec, W., Troan, O., Matsushima, S., and
              T. Murakami, "Mapping of Address and Port using
              Translation (MAP-T)", draft-ietf-softwire-map-t-08 (work
              in progress), December 2014.

   [I-D.ietf-softwire-map]
              Troan, O., Dec, W., Li, X., Bao, C., Matsushima, S.,
              Murakami, T., and T. Taylor, "Mapping of Address and Port
              with Encapsulation (MAP)", draft-ietf-softwire-map-12
              (work in progress), November 2014.

   [I-D.ietf-v6ops-siit-dc-2xlat]
              tore, t., "SIIT-DC: Dual Translation Mode", draft-ietf-
              v6ops-siit-dc-2xlat-00 (work in progress), January 2015.

   [I-D.ietf-v6ops-siit-dc]
              tore, t., "SIIT-DC: Stateless IP/ICMP Translation for IPv6
              Data Centre Environments", draft-ietf-v6ops-siit-dc-00
              (work in progress), December 2014.

   [RFC1883]  Deering, S. and R. Hinden, "Internet Protocol, Version 6
              (IPv6) Specification", RFC 1883, December 1995.

   [RFC2460]  Deering, S. and R. Hinden, "Internet Protocol, Version 6
              (IPv6) Specification", RFC 2460, December 1998.

   [RFC4213]  Nordmark, E. and R. Gilligan, "Basic Transition Mechanisms
              for IPv6 Hosts and Routers", RFC 4213, October 2005.

   [RFC5214]  Templin, F., Gleeson, T., and D. Thaler, "Intra-Site
              Automatic Tunnel Addressing Protocol (ISATAP)", RFC 5214,
              March 2008.

   [RFC5569]  Despres, R., "IPv6 Rapid Deployment on IPv4
              Infrastructures (6rd)", RFC 5569, January 2010.



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   [RFC6145]  Li, X., Bao, C., and F. Baker, "IP/ICMP Translation
              Algorithm", RFC 6145, April 2011.

   [RFC6146]  Bagnulo, M., Matthews, P., and I. van Beijnum, "Stateful
              NAT64: Network Address and Protocol Translation from IPv6
              Clients to IPv4 Servers", RFC 6146, April 2011.

   [RFC6333]  Durand, A., Droms, R., Woodyatt, J., and Y. Lee, "Dual-
              Stack Lite Broadband Deployments Following IPv4
              Exhaustion", RFC 6333, August 2011.

   [RFC6877]  Mawatari, M., Kawashima, M., and C. Byrne, "464XLAT:
              Combination of Stateful and Stateless Translation", RFC
              6877, April 2013.

Appendix A.  Change Log

   Initial Version:  April 2015

Author's Address

   Fred Baker
   Cisco Systems
   Santa Barbara, California  93117
   USA

   Email: [email protected]
























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Title: Ruminations on the IPv4->IPv6 Transition
IPv6 Operations F. Baker
Internet-Draft Cisco Systems
Intended status: Standards Track March 31, 2015
Expires: October 2, 2015

Ruminations on the IPv4->IPv6 Transition
draft-baker-v6ops-transition-ruminations-00

Abstract

This note present's the author's perspective on the transition.

Status of This Memo

This Internet-Draft is submitted in full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79.

Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. The list of current Internet-Drafts is at http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/.

Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress."

This Internet-Draft will expire on October 2, 2015.

Copyright Notice

Copyright (c) 2015 IETF Trust and the persons identified as the document authors. All rights reserved.

This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect to this document. Code Components extracted from this document must include Simplified BSD License text as described in Section 4.e of the Trust Legal Provisions and are provided without warranty as described in the Simplified BSD License.


Table of Contents

1. Introduction

Seven years after its writing, the Basic Transition Mechanisms for IPv6 Hosts and Routers [RFC4213], seems a little naive. The model proposed was that the Internet, and any of its component networks, would go through three essential phases:

  1. IPv4-only network
  2. IPv4+IPv6 Dual Stack network
  3. IPv6-only Network

In fairness, the authors were trying to describe the transition in broad terms, so the naiveté is excusable. However, reality appears to be more like:

  1. IPv4-only network
  2. IPv4 with lab experiments or isolated IPv6 networks without IPv6-capable services
  3. IPv4 with in some combination of overlay and native IPv6 deployment
  4. IPv4+IPv6 (native) dual stack network
  5. IPv6+IPv4 non-native, translated or overlay (e.g., as a service)
  6. IPv6 with little bits of IPv4 here and there
  7. IPv6-only

Even that is to some extent naive; only the smallest of networks can change overnight. Real networks change in a piecemeal fashion. So in a network that is somewhere in the process of transition probably has components in each of those phases.

2. Transition Technologies: IPv4 as a Service

There are a variety of transition technologies available in either commerical or open source implementation. The following is a fairly comprehensive list, but may be partial.

3. Steps in the transition

As noted in Section 1, the network appears to go through about seven steps or phases.

3.1. IPv4-only network

The first step is the existing IPv4 Internet.

3.2. IPv4 with scattered IPv6 experiments

With the publication of the original IPv6 Specification [RFC1883], and especially with its successor [RFC2460], researchers started learning about the technology. On March 30 1995, they set up the first interconnection between two independent IPv6 implementations, between sipper.pa-x.dec.com and ottawa.inria.fr. Several academic and research networks such as Renater, HEANET, and Internet2, deployed the technology in a trial mode.

Many networks continue to kick the tires, lacking a business requirement to go to the next step.

3.3. IPv4+non-native IPv6, translated or overlay (e.g., as a service)

The third phase is wider trial deployment. This often involves IPv6/IPv4 tunnels, local network deployment, 6rd [RFC5569], or ISATAP [RFC5214].

3.4. IPv4+IPv6 native dual stack network

The fourth step is Dual Stack deployment. This calls for careful definition, as there are cheap versions that stop at "we turned them both on, but of course IPv4 is the one we depend on". In a Dual Stack deployment, either protocol is useful and usable for any purpose; it is feasible to turn IPv4 off for any supported service. It is retained because of specific applications, equipment, or constituencies that would object.

3.5. IPv6+non-native IPv4, translated or overlay (e.g., as a service)

The network begins to overcome the objections, and turn IPv4 off for some set of equipment or applications. Content exists that must be reached on IPv4-only networks including the general Internet, and not all services within the network may be fully IPv6-capable. For that reason, IPv4 must be maintained. But to reduce costs or to manage the shrinking IPv4 address space, IPv4 is carried via translation or encapsulation, using technologies such as those mentioned in Section 2.

3.6. IPv6 with scattered legacy IPv4

As IPv6 proves viable, the overlay or translation system gets turned off. At this point, IPv4 assumes a legacy status, comparable to AppleTalk or DECNet.

3.7. IPv6-only

IPv4 has been turned off everywhere. It is cold in hell, and some IT managers are having it pried out of their cold, dead hands.

4. Ruminations

The steps in Section 3 fall broadly into three groups: IPv4 networks, perhaps with some toys, IPv6 networks with mitigations for issues related to IPv4, and the Dual Stack Network. What may not be obvious is that the transition from IPv4 with trial IPv6 deployment [step3] to IPv6 with legacy IPv4 deployment [step6] has a choice: one can go through Dual Stack [step4] or Simulated Dual Stack [step5] phases, but there is no need to go through both. Dual Stack will be easier, in the sense that for an instant both technologies are feasible and then IPv4 is turned off. However, it may be more expensive. We are beginning to see networks opt for IPv6 with an IPv4 translation or overlay, whatever problems that may bring.

5. IANA Considerations

This memo asks the IANA for no new parameters.

6. Security Considerations

What - are my insecurities showing?

7. Privacy Considerations

Privacy was not considered in the writing of this memo.

8. Acknowledgements

9. Informative References

[I-D.anderson-v6ops-siit-eam] tore, t., "Explicit Address Mappings for Stateless IP/ICMP Translation", Internet-Draft draft-anderson-v6ops-siit-eam-03, January 2015.
[I-D.ietf-lisp-introduction] Cabellos-Aparicio, A. and D. Saucez, "An Architectural Introduction to the Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP)", Internet-Draft draft-ietf-lisp-introduction-12, February 2015.
[I-D.ietf-softwire-lw4over6] Cui, Y., Qiong, Q., Boucadair, M., Tsou, T., Lee, Y. and I. Farrer, "Lightweight 4over6: An Extension to the DS-Lite Architecture", Internet-Draft draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-13, November 2014.
[I-D.ietf-softwire-map] Troan, O., Dec, W., Li, X., Bao, C., Matsushima, S., Murakami, T. and T. Taylor, "Mapping of Address and Port with Encapsulation (MAP)", Internet-Draft draft-ietf-softwire-map-12, November 2014.
[I-D.ietf-softwire-map-t] Li, X., Bao, C., Dec, W., Troan, O., Matsushima, S. and T. Murakami, "Mapping of Address and Port using Translation (MAP-T)", Internet-Draft draft-ietf-softwire-map-t-08, December 2014.
[I-D.ietf-v6ops-siit-dc] tore, t., "SIIT-DC: Stateless IP/ICMP Translation for IPv6 Data Centre Environments", Internet-Draft draft-ietf-v6ops-siit-dc-00, December 2014.
[I-D.ietf-v6ops-siit-dc-2xlat] tore, t., "SIIT-DC: Dual Translation Mode", Internet-Draft draft-ietf-v6ops-siit-dc-2xlat-00, January 2015.
[RFC1883] Deering, S. and R. Hinden, "Internet Protocol, Version 6 (IPv6) Specification", RFC 1883, December 1995.
[RFC2460] Deering, S. and R. Hinden, "Internet Protocol, Version 6 (IPv6) Specification", RFC 2460, December 1998.
[RFC4213] Nordmark, E. and R. Gilligan, "Basic Transition Mechanisms for IPv6 Hosts and Routers", RFC 4213, October 2005.
[RFC5214] Templin, F., Gleeson, T. and D. Thaler, "Intra-Site Automatic Tunnel Addressing Protocol (ISATAP)", RFC 5214, March 2008.
[RFC5569] Despres, R., "IPv6 Rapid Deployment on IPv4 Infrastructures (6rd)", RFC 5569, January 2010.
[RFC6145] Li, X., Bao, C. and F. Baker, "IP/ICMP Translation Algorithm", RFC 6145, April 2011.
[RFC6146] Bagnulo, M., Matthews, P. and I. van Beijnum, "Stateful NAT64: Network Address and Protocol Translation from IPv6 Clients to IPv4 Servers", RFC 6146, April 2011.
[RFC6333] Durand, A., Droms, R., Woodyatt, J. and Y. Lee, "Dual-Stack Lite Broadband Deployments Following IPv4 Exhaustion", RFC 6333, August 2011.
[RFC6877] Mawatari, M., Kawashima, M. and C. Byrne, "464XLAT: Combination of Stateful and Stateless Translation", RFC 6877, April 2013.

Appendix A. Change Log

Initial Version:
April 2015

Author's Address

Fred Baker Cisco Systems Santa Barbara, California 93117 USA EMail: [email protected]

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