Use starlink.sx instead On Tue, Nov 14, 2023, 12:24 PM Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> > Le 13/11/2023 à 02:27, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink a écrit : > > The other day I had reason to look up the Starlink spectrum licences > > in NZ. These are issued by Radio Spectrum Management in NZ and used to > > be in the Register of Radio Frequencies, which is publicly searchable: > > > > https://www.rsm.govt.nz/licensing/how-do-i/use-the-rrf/search-the-rrf/ > > > > Alas, this time, I've drawn an almost complete blank. None of the six > > known ground stations still have their licenses on the register. There > > are a few lone search suggestions for a licence "57321 PUWERA STARLINK > > SES", "56530 TE HANA STARLINK SES", "57189 CLEVEDON STARLINK SES", > > "57282 HINDS STARLINK SES", "56839 CROMWELL STARLINK SES", and "56383 > > AWARUA STARLINK SES" but these searches come up empty or with > > irrelevant results. Similarly, searching for any kind of satellite > > licence fails to find them. Similarly looking for "starlink", "space", > > or "spacex". > > > > Yet a traceroute from our Dishy shows that we're still landing in NZ. > > So that presumably means that the teleports are still operating here > > and that Starlink isn't backhauling via laser to elsewhere. > > > > Security? The locations of the teleports are well known, they're > > plastered all over the Internet and are visible on Google Maps/Earth. > > So they're probably not hiding the licences to disguise location. > > I think there is a problem with the names of locations of teleports > reported by these sites. I suggest to not take them seriously. > > For example, satellitemap.space shows for France a same photo for two > different locations of 2 teleports. > > I am not sure how they calculate the positions of the teleports and how > they report it? > > > > > Website dysfunction? Possible. NZ government department websites don't > > always work all that well. But I can also find plenty of other > > licences on the site, so it's not all that dysfunctional. > > > > Licence holder change? Then they should pop up under satellite > > spectrum licenses, but all the contenders there are the usual suspects > > (Inmarsat, Optus, Iridium, ...). No Starlink in Ku or Ka band. > > > > That makes me wonder: Is Elon not paying his fees? > > > > Anyone seeing anything similar where they are? > > > I did a search for France and starlink frequencies and city names, at > regulators ARCEP and at LegiFrance at gov't. There is also an EU > regulator to check, as well but I could not identify properly. > > I wanted to find precisely the allocated starlink frequencies and the > cities of teleports. > > I could not find definite answers, because: there were disputes in the > allocations and there are newcomers (Starlink-like LEO Internet > providers, civilian and military). There also oppinions from the public > at large that influence the decisions, typically related to health and > environmental risks. > > This is my interpretation of the current allocations: > > The freqs allocated to Starlink in France are: 10.95 GHz (in some docs > it's written 10.96 GHz) - 12.70 GHz, 14-14.5GHz, 17.7-19.3 GHz and 29.5 > - 30 GHz. > > https://www.arcep.fr/actualites/actualites-et-communiques/detail/n/frequences-180423.html > > Other constellation freqs that might overlap: > > The freqs considered for allocation to Thales (MCSAT or oneweb?, > allocated or still under consideration? remark potential overlaps with > starlink): 17.8 - 18.6 GHz, 18.8 - 19.3 GHz, 19.3 - 19.7 GHz. > https://www.arcep.fr/uploads/tx_gsavis/20-1409.pdf > > The freqs considered for allocation by law to Thales for "MCSAT-2 > LEO-2": 17.8-18.6, 18.8-20.2,19.7-20.2 (strange two times 20.2), > 27.5-30,29.5-30. > https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFTEXT000043142179 > > There are some ARCEP consultations to the public about potential > allocations to OneWeb. > > Maybe these potential overlaps have already been fixed, I dont know. > > > The names of cities: > > The names of cities where starlink teleports might be situated > hardly appear in the freq allocation documents. One can see in the > starlink ARCEP allocations, maybe a city name like "Carros > (Alpes-Maritimes) ". There are maybe a few (3?) such city names in the > ARCEP docs. Or maybe I could not find them where they are. > > The official(?) geoip of starlink places indicate only one region > for France, e.g. "145.224.76.0/24,FR,FR-IDF,Paris". There are 28 such > entries for 'FR' and they are all "FR-IDF". It stands for Île de > France, a particular region in France. > https://geoip.starlinkisp.net/feed.csv > > The teleports shown by satellitemap.space for France are 2 and are > not situated in IdF (Île-de-France). > > It is incoherent: how many teleports are in France? Are they all > situated in IdF? > > Alex > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >
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