On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 7:17 AM Livingood, Jason via LibreQoS < libre...@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> On 9/29/23, 00:54, "Jonathan Morton" <chromati...@gmail.com <mailto: > chromati...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Some ISPs began to actively degrade Netflix traffic, in particular by > refusing to provision adequate peering capacity at the nodes through which > Netflix traffic predominated > > That is not true and really not worth re-litigating here. > > > NN regulations forced ISPs to carry Netflix traffic with reasonable > levels of service, even though they didn't want to for purely selfish and > greedy commercial reasons. > > NN regulations played no role whatsoever in the resolution of that > conflict - a business arrangement was reached, just as it was in the SK > Telecom example recently: > https://about.netflix.com/en/news/sk-telecom-sk-broadband-and-netflix-establish-strategic-partnership-to > > > ISPs behind L4S actively do not want a technology that works end-to-end > over the general Internet. > > That's simply not true. As someone running an L4S field trial right now - > we want the technology to get the widest possible deployment and be fully > end-to-end. Why else would there be so much effort to ensure that ECN and > DSCP marks can traverse network domain boundaries for example? Why else > would there be strong app developer interest? What evidence do you have to > show that anyone working on L4S want to create a walled garden? If > anything, it seems the opposite of 5G network slicing, which seems to me > personally to be another 3GPP run at walled garden stuff (like IMS). > Ultimately it is like a lot of other IETF work -- it is an interesting > technology and we'll have to see whether it gets good adoption - the > 'market' will decide. > > > They want something that can provide a domination service within their > own walled gardens. > > Also not correct. And last time I checked the balance sheets of companies > in these sectors - video streaming services were losing money while > provision of internet services were financially healthy. > > JL > > > I think this stuff degrades into conspiracy theory often enough. While I don't discount the possibility of collusion, I don't give these people/groups credit enough to pull of a mass scale conspiracy either.... If netflix is jammed down to small of a pipe at an ISP, that's more likely (IMO...) disorganization or incompetence or disinterest over conspiracy. I feel the same about government in general...
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