I remember there was always a great deal of controversy over the material, at 
least in WA State. The our City’s Building Department (Plumbiing Code AHJ) 
opposed its use, and lost in some formal hearing. I remember the industry did 
fly in rep’s from Texas for the hearing. Someone else other than me was always 
the lead person so I don’t remember the details. I know we ended up with some 
13-R, although I’m not sure if built with us as AHJ or annexed in, already 
built. It ended up deteriorating, soft, brittle, I don’t remember. For some odd 
reason, it did became attractive to rats living in attics. Some people had 
hypothesis rats knew there was water inside and were establishing their own 
supply. Not knowing much about rats, that seemed far fetched to me. They did 
chew on it, and leaks did proliferate. 

> On 03/04/2024 8:15 AM PST Fpdcdesign <[email protected]> wrote:
>  
>  
>  
> Thanks. I stopped looking in the 1991 edition and apparently that table was 
> added in the 1994 edition, right before they stepped making the stuff.
> 
> Todd G Williams, PE
> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
> Stonington, CT
> 860-535-2080 tel:860-535-2080 (ofc)
> 860-554-7054 tel:860-554-7054  (fax)
> 860-608-4559 tel:860-608-4559 (cell)
> 
> 
> 
> > On Mar 4, 2024 at 10:55 AM, <Eric Rieve mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Todd,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > My 2002 copies of 13 and 13R have it as an option under specially listed 
> > pipe, NFPA 13- section: 6.3.6.1, and NFPA 13R-section: 5.2.2.2.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hope this helps!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > Eric Rieve, SET
> > 
> > Rieve Fire Protection
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: Fpdcdesign <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 10:36 AM
> > To: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]>
> > Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Polybutylene pipe
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Was polybutylene pipe ever listed for NFPA 13 or 13R systems? I looked at a 
> > system with PB pipe this morning but have no other information on the 
> > system (placard only had the static water pressure). 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Todd G Williams, PE
> > 
> > Fire Protection Design/Consulting
> > 
> > Stonington, CT
> > 
> > 860-535-2080 tel:860-535-2080 (ofc)
> > 
> > 860-554-7054 tel:860-554-7054  (fax)
> > 
> > 860-608-4559 tel:860-608-4559 (cell)
> > 
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